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BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
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Author: Ed Conrad
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:57
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<.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
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The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
testable by the methods of science."
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Supporters of creation science argue that other theories of origins,
including macroevolution, are not testable by the methods of science
either.
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The American Association for the Advancement of Science (the world's
largest general scientific society) contrasts the "scientific
robustness of the contemporary theory of biological evolution"] with
the proposed teaching of intelligent design that will "confuse
students about the nature of science."
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The National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) supports the teaching
of evolutionary biology in schools, and opposes the teaching of
creationism. They hold that science classes should teach evolution;
that teachers should be "nonjudgmental" of students' religious views;
and that "creation science" and "intelligent design" should not be
taught. 
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The National Center for Science Education was founded in 1981 to
oppose creationism and is led by Eugenie Scott. It has 4,000 members
and operates a website. It also runs Project Steve, a list of 772-plus
certified Doctorate holding pro-evolution signatories named Steve (or
Stephen or some variant thereof), as a parody of creationist attempts
to collect signature lists of experts who doubt evolution.
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The American Association of Physics Teachers states that "we do not
endorse teaching the 'evidence against evolution,' because currently
no such scientific evidence exists. Nor can we condone teaching
"scientific creationism," "intelligent design," or other
non-scientific viewpoints as valid scientific theories."
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Excuse this interruption:
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For some time there was no opposition
To the evolutionists'  facetious position.
But the sleazeballs NOW know
That bullshit theories don't  go.
It's time they said their Act of Contrition
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullshit 
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A little carnival music, Maestro...
http://www.nurple.com/sideshow/ 
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<   TRUTH  VS. THE MONUMENTAL LIE OF MAN'S EVOLUTION 
<     (Fossils -- SOME HUMAN -- Found Between Coal Veins) 
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Now back to the $3 bills...
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The American Astronomical Society supports teaching evolution,
noting that many astronomical observations show changes in the
universe over a long period of time consistent with evolution. They
state that "'Intelligent Design' fails to meet the basic definition of
a scientific idea" and "does not belong in the science curriculum."
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The American Geophysical Union states that "Earth History and the
Evolution of Life Must Be Taught: Creationism Is Not Science," thus
the AGU "opposes all efforts to require or promote teaching
creationism or any other religious tenets as science."
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In addition, the American Geological Institute, the Association for
Women Geoscientists, the Geological Society of America, the
Paleontological Society, the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology and
The Society for Organic Petrology all have position statements
supporting the teaching of evolution and opposing the teaching of
non-scientific ideas.
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The Board of Directors of the American Chemical Society supports
"evolution as the only scientifically accepted explanation for the
origin and diversity of species."
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The American Physical Society's governing Council has long expressed
its opposition to the inclusion of religious concepts such as
intelligent design and related forms of creationism in science
classes. [9] APS is the world's largest professional body of
physicists, representing over 43,000 physicists in academia and
industry in the US and internationally.
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Kansas Citizens for Science is a group that is trying to fight the
revision of science standards in Kansas.
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CSICOP and The Skeptics Society are anti-pseudoscience organizations
with creationism among their targets.
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The Talk.Origins Archive is a large website of articles critiquing
creationary ideas, plus a discussion forum; there is an extensive set
of links to sites of interest on both sides of the debate - including
True. Origins.
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Talk Reason is a take-off of the talk.origins archive that deals
exclusively with debunking intelligent design.
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<         PEOPLE WHO'VE MADE A MOCKERY OF SCIENCE
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Richard Dawkins, Michael Ruse, and the late Carl Sagan and Stephen
Jay Gould figure among the well-known scientists who have been
outspoken against creationism. Unlike Dawkins, Ruse takes the position
that it is possible to reconcile the Christian religion with
Evolutionary Theory.
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Philip Kitcher is a philosopher of science who wrote a book, Abusing
Science: The Case Against Creationism (1982), answering creationist
arguments and explaining scientific vs. unscientific methodology.
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Simon Conway Morris is an evolutionary biologist who is also a
Christian, and who has publicly supported the acceptance of
evolutionary biology by moderate Christians.
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Arthur Peacocke was one of the first to have developed a rigorously
argued, complex argument for the compatibility of modern evolutionary
theory with Christianity. He famously refers to evolution as "the
disguised friend" of faith.
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Arthur N. Strahler, author of the 1987 book Science and Earth History:
The Evolution/Creation Controversy.
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Wesley R. Elsberry hosts The Panda's Thumb weblog which sponsors
articles and posts by some of the most active debaters of creationists
and Intelligent Design advocates.
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Paul PZ Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota, Morris, an
outspoken critic of creationism online.
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PS: Myers played a key role in the fraudulent testing of one of Ed
Conrad's specimens of petrified bone discovered between
coal veins and of Carboniferous age, a minimum of 280 million
years ago. Andrew Macrae also was involved in the hanky-panky
that involved tampering with what the late, great physical
anthropologist Wilton M. Krogman -- author of the book. "The Human
Skeleton in Forensic Medicine: -- had identified as a portion of a
tibia.
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Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal*
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Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
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Author: David Hartung
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:06
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Ed Conrad wrote:
> <
> <
> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
> <
> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
> <
> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
> the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
> testable by the methods of science."

Which is correct.

The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.

Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith" than a belief in 
supernatural creation.
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1369
Author: VRWC Destruction Machine
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:41
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Ed Conrad <edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in crayon...

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Reading the title of your thread I thought for sure it was Muhammed Al
Gore.

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Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1370
Author: ahall
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:35
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>>>>> David Hartung writes:

   David> Ed Conrad wrote:
   >> <
   >> <
   >> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
   >> <
   http> mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
   >> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
   >> <
   >> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
   >> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
   >> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
   >> the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
   >> testable by the methods of science."

   David> Which is correct.

   David> The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.

It is certainly faslifiable and has made predictions that have been
verified.

   David> Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith" than a belief
   David> in supernatural creation.

You are delusional.


-- 
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1371
Author: David Hartung
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:22
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ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung writes:
> 
>    David> Ed Conrad wrote:
>    >> <
>    >> <
>    >> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
>    >> <
>    http> mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
>    >> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
>    >> <
>    >> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
>    >> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
>    >> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
>    >> the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
>    >> testable by the methods of science."
> 
>    David> Which is correct.
> 
>    David> The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.
> 
> It is certainly faslifiable and has made predictions that have been
> verified.
> 
>    David> Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith" than a belief
>    David> in supernatural creation.
> 
> You are delusional.

Am I?

Please explain.

To my knowledge the basic idea of the "big bang" theory is as follows.

A mass of primordial matter exploded without any outside force acting on it, and 
from this explosion came our universe.

This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a divine being 
creating us in his image.
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1372
Author: Mitchell Holman
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:20
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David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in
news:Ecydne4ZXsrAHwjbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com: 

> ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung writes:
>> 
>>    David> Ed Conrad wrote:
>>    >> <
>>    >> <
>>    >> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
>>    >> <
>>    http> mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
>>    >> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
>>    >> <
>>    >> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
>>    >> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
>>    >> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention
>>    >> in the origin of life or of species are not science because they
>>    >> are not testable by the methods of science."
>> 
>>    David> Which is correct.
>> 
>>    David> The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.
>> 
>> It is certainly faslifiable and has made predictions that have been
>> verified.
>> 
>>    David> Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith" than a
>>    belief David> in supernatural creation.
>> 
>> You are delusional.
> 
> Am I?
> 
> Please explain.
> 
> To my knowledge the basic idea of the "big bang" theory is as follows.
> 
> A mass of primordial matter exploded without any outside force acting on
> it, and from this explosion came our universe.
> 
> This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a
> divine being creating us in his image.


   And who created this divine being?
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
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Author: bvallely
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:45
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> > This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a
> > divine being creating us in his image.

>    And who created this divine being?

Don't know.  Don't care. It's called "faith".  I have it.  Not as much
as I'd like, but trying to build more every day.

But I must admit, my faith has limits.

When one considers that each cell in your body contains a code which
is literally more complicated that the Interent, a code which has
taken decades to map, a code which we've barely begun to understand, a
code which carried along for hundreds of millions of years without
breaking down (indeed, consistantly improving upon itself) - well, I
just don't have the kind of faith needed to believe that fairy tale.
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1374
Author: .
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:12
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ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung writes:
> 
>    David> Ed Conrad wrote:
>    >> <
>    >> <
>    >> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
>    >> <
>    http> mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
>    >> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
>    >> <
>    >> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
>    >> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
>    >> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
>    >> the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
>    >> testable by the methods of science."
> 
>    David> Which is correct.
> 
>    David> The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.
> 
> It is certainly faslifiable and has made predictions that have been
> verified.
> 
>    David> Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith" than a belief
>    David> in supernatural creation.
> 
> You are delusional.
> 
> 
Poor David Hartung, suffering from being a right wing dumbass.. He never
quite gets reality.
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
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Author: .
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:20
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bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>>> This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a
>>> divine being creating us in his image.
> 
>>    And who created this divine being?
> 
> Don't know.  Don't care. It's called "faith".  I have it.  Not as much
> as I'd like, but trying to build more every day.
> 
> But I must admit, my faith has limits.
> 
> When one considers that each cell in your body contains a code which
> is literally more complicated that the Interent, a code which has
> taken decades to map, a code which we've barely begun to understand, a
> code which carried along for hundreds of millions of years without
> breaking down (indeed, consistantly improving upon itself) - well, I
> just don't have the kind of faith needed to believe that fairy tale.
> 

Good thing you don't CARE, Vallely.

Not knowing and not caring to know enables you to be an ignorant
Republican shill.
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1376
Author: ahall
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:01
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>>>>> David Hartung writes:

   David> ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:
   >>>>>>> David Hartung writes:
   David> Ed Conrad wrote:
   >> >> <
   >> >> <
   >> >> <.    THE EVOLUTIONISTS -- PHONIER THAN A $3 BILL
   >> >> <
   http> mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/SaveTheWhale.jpg
   >> >> (Photo, Courtesy of David Iain Greig, moderator, talk.origins)
   >> >> <
   >> >> The United States National Academy of Sciences has made a number
   >> >> of statements opposing creationism. They state, "Creationism,
   >> >> intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in
   >> >> the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not
   >> >> testable by the methods of science."
   David> Which is correct.
   David> The "Big Bang" is also not testable by methods of science.
   >> It is certainly faslifiable and has made predictions that have been
   >> verified.
   David> Belief in the "Big Bang" seems to require more "faith"
   >> than a belief
   David> in supernatural creation.
   >> You are delusional.

   David> Am I?

   David> Please explain.

There is a lot of evidence for the big bang.  There is zero evidence
for anything supernatural.

   David> To my knowledge the basic idea of the "big bang" theory is as follows.

   David> A mass of primordial matter exploded without any outside force acting
   David> on it, and from this explosion came our universe.

Read up on it a bit.  This is a pretty shallow understanding.

   David> This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a
   David> divine being creating us in his image.

Why?


-- 
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
Re: BLOWING MORE HOT AIR THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
#1377
Author: Rich Travsky
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:23
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"bvallely@aol.com" wrote:
> 
> > > This appears to take more "faith" to believe than the concept of a
> > > divine being creating us in his image.
> 
> >    And who created this divine being?
> 
> Don't know.  Don't care. It's called "faith".  I have it.  Not as much
> as I'd like, but trying to build more every day.
> 
> But I must admit, my faith has limits.
> 
> When one considers that each cell in your body contains a code which
> is literally more complicated that the Interent, a code which has
> taken decades to map, a code which we've barely begun to understand, a
> code which carried along for hundreds of millions of years without
> breaking down (indeed, consistantly improving upon itself) - well, I
> just don't have the kind of faith needed to believe that fairy tale.

It's not a fairy tale. Years of research and fact finding behind it.

Not superstition.
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