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Mike Yates (mike@myates.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In an article to sci.archaeology dated Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:27:07, Yuri 
: Kuchinsky <yuku@mail.trends.ca> writes
: >Mike Yates (mike@myates.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: >: Yuri, I've glanced at your pages and was also struck by the "!"
approach : >;-)  : How sure are you that those carvings are pre-Colombian? 

: >This is not in doubt, Mike. These temples were securely dated many :
decades : >ago, before anyone paid attention to these carvings.

: Well the Hindus have just completed a temple in London in that style, in
real : stone. Certainly statues were always being added and replaced in
European : cathedrals, many centuries after the cathedrals were built. You
need good : evidence (e.g. lichen) that the actual statues are
pre-Colombian, don't you? 

Listen, Mike, some "professional debunkers" were trying hard to "debunk"
this research, and yet none of them went the route you suggest. Draw your
own conclusions...

	...

: >I'm not leaping to conclusions, it's just that lots of people suggested
: >that maize in Africa is very ancient. So perhaps it didn't spread so
: >quickly after all... 

: Who? Who suggested? 

It was Jeffreys.

: What is "very ancient" in an area where there are NO written records
older : than 530 years? : The Muslim traders who had been dealing with and
very occasionally visiting : the Zimbabwean plateau from 1000-1500AD left
hardly any records, but told : the Portuguese what was inland.  : What is
important is that it is clear from the Portuguese accounts, which are :
quite thorough, that there was no corn before they arrived but that it
spread : very rapidly after they introduced it and took over almost
entirely from : indigenous crops.

Jeffreys did a lot of work on Portugese accounts. According to him, they
confirm that corn was in the Old World before Columbus. I read about this
(his article in MAN ACROSS THE SEA) a few months ago, and I believe his
case is valid. I have something about this on my webpage. His case hinges
on what term exactly the Portugese used for "maize".

: Even today, there is no corn in the most remote and 
: isolated spots in southern Africa, where they still grow Millet. I was
: suggesting that the same may be true in India, or China, for that matter.

The latter is completely off the mark, sorry. In Indian highlands and in
Nepal the rare "archaic" varieties of maize ARE GROWN TODAY. This is a
crucial component of Johannessen's argument. Unfortunately nobody went
there recently to investigate, as far as I know. But these rare varieties
of corn there were described in detail early in this century, by Kuleshov,
a Russian botanist, among others.

Regards,

Yuri.

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