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"kangarooistan" <kangarooistan9@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On May 24, 9:58 am, "Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote:
> "kangarooistan" <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote in 
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> On May 23, 8:04 am, "Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Look for similar designs in Portugal & Holland. Perhaps
> > there were detours from the Spice Islands.
>
> > "kangarooistan" <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > message
>
> >news:6f2ed38a-bba6-4f8c-b1a4-bbd4d1f904fc@d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > If we can find more like it in other places we may
> > > discover WHO mined
> > > the coorong Heavy Mineral Sand HMS many years ago
>
> > > Im working on finding some more wells like this one
> > >http://www.planbooktravel.com.au/region-images/SA/limestone-coast/lim...
>
> > > its in the sand hills at 42 mile creek on the Coorong 
> > > in
> > > South
> > > Australia , but I suspect it may be many thousands of
> > > years old
> > >http://www.arta.com.au/samaps/maps/coorong.gif
>
> > > White people call it chinamans well but it was named
> > > before chinamen
> > > were in the area , and it was used by early settlers
>
> > > Its very old , but no chinaman built it IMHO , Its
> > > design
> > > may
> > > indicate who did
>
> > > Do you recall seeing any like it in your travels ? or
> > > can
> > > you ask your
> > > friends if they can find an exact match else where
>
> > > Its clearly built by somebody who knew exactly what 
> > > they
> > > were doing ,
> > > so Im going to try and find more like it , and I 
> > > suspect
> > > it may be
> > > built by the " sea peoples " in ancient times as its
> > > clear
> > > somebody
> > > was mining the Heavy Mineral Sands on this coast on a
> > > VAST scale ,
> > > effectively what you see today as the Coorong and 
> > > lower
> > > Lakes are man
> > > made , mines working the sands washed down the 2500 km
> > > River Murray
> > > over many millions of years
>
> > > SOMEBODY worked out most of the easy deposits within
> > > walking distance
> > > to water , long before Europeans arrived in 1836
>
> > > kanga
> > > =====
>
> I suspect it was made by an expert , probably there are
> others ,
> perhaps identical , in design , most unusual to find this
> one where
> it is , wonder WHY others have not questioned it long ago 
> ,
> the old
> account about " chinamen" was accepted without question as
> there were
> a age number of Chinese pass through in 1850s but the well
> was in use
> before that , I suspect there will be matches found
> eventually
>
> my research of the old iron tool has proven beyond all 
> doubt
> that
> there is VAST VAST mining activity here is South Australia
> 3000 years
> ago
>
> Wait till you see it all laid out neatly
>
> The Coorong and Lower Murray lakes ARE MAN MADE Heavy
> mineral Sand
> mineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_mineral_sands_ore_deposits
>
> Over 150 km long dug by 
> handhttp://www.arta.com.au/samaps/maps/coorong.gif
>
> a project of Pyramid and Great wall of China scale, and
> nobody
> noticed it because we All assumed nobody visited the state
> back then
>
> Until WE found this 3000 year old iron tool and purple
> leather in
> south 
> Australiahttp://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/KangarooistanOldIronToolPr...
>
> and THIS old well in south 
> Australiahttp://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=chinamans%20well%20south%2...
>
> And asked Why can you find Heavy Mineral Sands { HMS } ,
> every where
> the ancient river used to be but NONE where the present
> Lower Lakes
> and Coorong is now and has been for about 6 000 years at 
> the
> END of a
> 2500km long river plus its tributaries
>
> The ABSENCE of HMS , is evidence somebody mined it long 
> ago
> IMHO, as
> the expected white quartz sands are still there , but the
> expected
> HMS are not , now we KNOW where the ancient " sea peoples 
> "
> got their
> wealth
>
> OOPS , how do you lose a City , please remind me 
> againhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_city#Lost_cities_by_continent
>
> The Murray-Darling Basin is 3,375 km long, drains
> one-seventh of the
> Australian land 
> masshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Darling_Basin
>
> vast amounts of quartz sand made it down river but no HMS
> within a
> days walk of water ,and HMS further inland indicate the 
> HMS
> near the
> water was mined long ago
>
> AND matches the demand at the time for tin to serve the
> bronze age
> that can not have been met by the known tin mines in UK
>
> I suspect the well is 3000 years old myself , and may
> possibly be
> found in other ancient sites that were lost from history 
> and
> not
> upgraded as many wells were
>
> kanga
> ====
>
.
> There were Cornish miners in the area in the 1800s
> processing tin ores, if I recall, and the stonework they
> built was of Cornish design.
> Check out Cornwall in England

Hi Peter

Yes Iam aware many corish miners were very active in very 
early South
Australia

I myself have examined most mining activty in South 
Australia forabout
50 years

100 years ago my grandfather owned the largest gold mine in 
the state
at Fabians number 1 shaft Tarcoola.

His father was the city of Adelaide Treasurer in the 1800s 
for many
years thomas Fabian and died in the Treasury office in 
Adelaide 1898
on the job

On my mothers side was an Alexander Buchanan who was the 
FIRST person
tho" Overland " live sheep in 1839 , from NSW or victoria , 
but he and
mums side were mainly up the mid north not on the coast , 
droving
stock into the state,  and was VERY familiar with the water 
points in
the area  as were my grand parents  , but at what they 
referred to as
Chinamans Well there has NEVErbeen any real European 
activity to match
the wells appearance , other more used wells were NOT this 
pretty , it
is " over engineered for a "bush well" in that ERA,  , it 
was there
BEFORE Europeans , It NEEDS an explanation IMHO, a 
Phoenician well
DOES make sense more that Cornish miners , who have mines in 
Cornwall
from long ago but no need to build such a ' fine well ' in a 
sand hill
a very long way from any where , THERE MAY be something Im 
over
looking yet,  it may actually have been restored since, 
using recycled
ancient stone  , as there are no really old photos I have 
yet found it
remains a bit of an anomaly in the big picture , not " quite 
" sitting
comfortably into the present  history of the site as 
recorded

Im still researching

The Cornish miners were REAL experts and heir AMAZING skills 
are all
over the state , hired to work stone as you suggest  indeed 
and have
fine mine works here  in South Australia and every where 
they went ,
and MAY be the builders , although it was there too early 
from my
research to fit neatly into this possibility

seems where they needed a quality water well

They also invested in other Quality infrastructure , that 
takes most
people eye , and the " wells ' often get over looked by most 
visitors

Where settlement was ongoing , the wells were usually 
upgraded many
times ,  or seen as a danger and filled in as a good idea 
and stone
was either recycled or upgraded

Seems there are few original condition old wells and where 
they do
exist the buildings nearby  get the attention

Ancient mines 500 plus years old look like natural 
surroundings

Think about the cities destroyed 500 years ago that have 
been
swallowed by jungles or deserts , a 3000 year old Phoenician 
well or
mine  would only survive if buried in a sand hill like this 
one was ,
and only rediscovered in early 1800s

Old mines soon blend back into a natural looking state after 
a few
hundred years, most people could not tell apart from 
surrounding
country , only careful examination can reveal the un natural 
position
of the soils  and rocks can identify most ancient mines , 
most of
which were actually reworked several times destroying the 
REALLY old
mines every few centuries , but often  still visible in the 
position
of "tailings waste dumps" reconstruction of mines can be 
ascertained
by careful examination

The well remains a mystery , it MAY have been constructed by 
stranded
sailors while repairing their ship or waiting for rescue and 
no record
was made if the were not rescued or later sank  , there were 
Dutch off
the south Coast in 1606 , Able Tasman as well , and many 
others too ,
i think it may be difficult to identify who or when the well 
was
constructed first , the stone MAY be ballast or cargo , from 
a ship
wreak  meant for another site but called into use as water 
was
desperately short in a ship wreak  situation

There are MANY possibilities

Still it MAY be possible to identify a match  , it does look
professional , it does fit in with my other research 
pointing toward a
3000 year old VAST mineral Sand Mine  that is what we today 
call the '
Coorong " lower Lakes , with a guard post at this access 
point ,
maybe the main access point to the ocean back then , but 
prone to run
out of fresh water in dry periods , workers need water to 
mine , and
water seems to have been what restricted their activities , 
all
activity had to be within walking distance of water for 
drinking AND
mine concentration of HMS

Keep one EYE open for ANCIENT water wells for me though 
Peter

IF you see anything of similar construcrtion post up a link 
on this
group

kanga
=====

Thanks, I will.
P