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There is no evidence that  the Turin Papyrus " gold mine " was  in
Egypt , not a single tiny piece of evidence exists to prove the  GOLD
mine described in the Turin Papyrus fragments A ,B ,C or D ,
describes  a mine in Egypt

the fragments after that DO have heaps of evidence that clearly exists
and can be found in Egypt , but there is nothing that points to the
site at Bir Umm Fawakhir in the fragments A B C or D  , and NOTHING on
the ground in Egypt , or in any museum  anywhere that cab tie the
Turin Papyrus "gold mine '  to any where ,  except the site in south
Australia  where EVERY natural and every man made feature in the map
fits and can be seen with the naked eye  even without digging , after
3160 years  even today without leaving your car seat  you can
recognize the features exactly as marked in the Turin map

While EVERY  natural feature  and the remains of every man made
feature on the map , on the Turin Papyrus " gold mine " map  , can be
seen with the naked eye ,  in SOUTH AUSTRALIA , experts accept the
Egyptian site with NIL evidence at  Bir Umm Fawakkir
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The map even describes the mine as being a very very very long way
from the bekhen-stone quarries in the Wadi Hammamat ,  in fragments E
onward of the Turin Papyrus clearly is in EGYPT and can be SEEN to be
so

As the details in South Australia equally can CLEARLY be identified as
matching the Turin Papyrus CLEARLY

SBS TV or Aljazeera  may like to cover the topic as news , and show
both site for all to see what I mean , I wont deal with other news

  It appears somebody removed the number of Khat  to the gold
mine ,  , but it was repeated 3 times ,  indicating it was a very very
very long way ,  IMHO , and to hide this " problem"  somebody though
to remove the number of khet ,  so as  more easily to tie it into the
local area and perhaps ? , to  make it ' fit "  in with the the other
fragments presented as one scroll  ??

note  17 in pro Harrell research  says
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17          distance from the gold-working settlement to the mountain
of bekheny,…khet

[this text is repeated three times, apparently for emphasis; the
distance in units of khet is missing]3,4
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_table-1.htm
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We dont know how many khat = 100 cubits the distance was  , but seems
it was very very very  many , and the site  claimed by  the main
stream is  very close  , even though there is no evidence in the
scroll or on the ground that  says its in Egypt, and the highly
respected  eye witness author of the scroll ,and a well respected
learned man who made the map would have known every town and the
distance ,  he does not name a single thing that ties the map to
anything in his native Egypt in the said map

Absence of evidence may not be evidence ,  but its very surprising ,
the scholarly maps maker  did not include a single thing that places
the " gold mine ' in shown in the beautiful Papyrus  in  Egypt

In this case it may in fact be evidence  ,  that it may indeed be a
mine that is NOT in Egypt , as at the time Phonetician sailors and
traders sailed the globe in search of gold , and there are references
of Hapshepsuts " green gold of / from Emu " , from that era , and EMU
is a word of Arabic origins  meaning big bird   , STILL  according to
dictionaries  , and the map says they mine a mix of gold and silver
that is " green gold "

Why do we doubt the " Green gold from Emu " was not a direct reference
to this mine , that was in that ear , mining green gold, = 25%to 50%
silver as per the Turin map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ag-Au-Cu-colours.png

Arabic origin of the word Emu seem to add weight
http://translate.reference.com/browse/emu?olang=all&

The ancient tool that helped unlock the secret was found at the site
marked as a refinery of gold
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/j34ur7rwpv3m/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

This site covers the Turin papyrus very well and I can not  see any
reason to exclude the South Australian site

OR to even consider the site presently thought to be the mine site in
Egypt , nothing said in this scholarly site actually claims any real
evidence atall for the site presently accepted ,NIL evidence to
support the present Egypt site exists ANYWHERE
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_text.htm
http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=Hapshepsut+green+gold+emu&meta=&btnG=Google+Search



kanga
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WHERE is the evidence from 3160 years ago ??


No systematic archaeological survey or excavations had been carried
out at Bir Umm Fawakhir prior to 1992, but the site is mentioned in
quite a few travelers' accounts.

 Most of them note the gold mines, wells, hundreds of "Roman" huts,
and parts of the site now lost, such as the Ptolemaic temple. One of
the early visitors was Arthur E. P. Weigall, who published an
excellent account in Travels in the Upper Egyptian Deserts (1909). He
left the most complete description of the Ptolemaic temple as well as
the only known copy of its inscriptions. Couyat (1910) called Bir Umm
Fawakhir "une véritable ville," but his most interesting contribution
was a report of a papyrus, now lost, and two statues found in the
quarries. Battered, headless, and almost armless, they are nonetheless
in a classical style and were identified by Couyat as a nude Apollo
and a semi-draped Venus

. In the wake of renewed mining activity in 1940 and 1941, Guéraud
published sixty or so ostraca found in the mining debris along with
ancient grinding stones, pottery vessels, lamps, beads, and a few
coins. Paleographically dated to the late first and second centuries
A.D., seven ostraca have Latin writing and the rest Greek. Almost all
of them have to do with military personnel in the Eastern Desert, and
usually with provisions sent or desired. Zitterkopf and Sidebotham
(1989) in their detailed survey of the Coptos to Quseir route were the
first, however, to publish a Byzantine date for the sherds and ancient
settlement at Bir Umm Fawakhir.

The published accounts of the site are fragmentary and sometimes
conflicting, and without good maps either of the region or of the site
itself it is difficult to resolve the problems. Some parts of the site
have been destroyed, such as the Ptolemaic temple, and others remain
unpublished, such as the artifacts found at the same time as the
ostraca. Perhaps most seriously, the main body of ruins was mistakenly
called Roman for at least 150 years.

The misidentification may have been due partly to the difficulty of
visiting the site, and partly to the long-held belief that the
Byzantine presence in the desert was minimal or non-existent.
Alexandria indeed dominated Egypt politically, economically,
culturally, and religiously, but there are scattered references to
Clysma (Suez), Antinoopolis, and Myos Hormos (north of Bir Umm
Fawakhir), and the ancient port at Berenice to the south. In light of
new evidence from sites such as Abu Sha'ar, Wadi Nakheil, Bir Umm
Fawakhir, and what can be gleaned from old accounts concerning
Berenice, the idea of Byzantine neglect of the Eastern Desert needs to
be re-examined.

As part of the initial work, the project carried out a brief study of
the local geology, which explains a great deal about the layout of Bir
Umm Fawakhir and about its reasons for existence. The only resources
are mineral; the site lies in the middle of a hyperarid desert where
nothing larger than camel thorn grows. The Fawakhir granite to the
east is the aquifer; the water is carried in fine cracks in the rock
until it meets the dense ultramafic rocks at the western end of the
area, and the wells are in fact dug near the contact zone. The pinkish
granite was quarried at one time, probably in the Roman period.
Extensively worked gold mines follow the quartz veins in the Fawakhir
granite. The main group of ruins lies in a narrow wadi eroded in the
granite; the steep sides serve as a boundary and almost as a town
wall. The site's southeastern end is defined by a high dike of tough
felsite rock with a natural gate in it.

Pre-Byzantine remains at Bir Umm Fawakhir are limited.

 From the pharaonic period we have, perhaps, a few sherds and above
all, the Turin Papyrus.

 The latter may be read as a map drawn up in the Twentieth Dynasty to
show the bekhen-stone quarries in the Wadi Hammamat and the gold mines
a little farther to the east at Bir Umm Fawakhir.

 Evidence for a Ptolemaic presence is limited to the now lost temple
Ptolemy III Euergetes, though we have many travelers' descriptions of
it. Our attempts to locate the site of the temple or any surviving
blocks have not yet succeeded.
http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/pubs/ar/91-92/fawakhir.html

Mal Fabian

Mount Barker
South Australia
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