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On May 5, 4:51 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@ramtops.removethis.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Sun, 03 May 2009 07:02:53 +1200, in sci.archaeology, Eric Stevens
> wrote:
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>
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> >On Sat, 2 May 2009 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> ><jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> >>On May 2, 10:00 am, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>> Eric Stevens wrote:
> >>> > On Sat, 2 May 2009 03:35:01 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> >>> > <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>> >> On May 1, 11:10 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >>> >> I have decided you are a form of critic that is never satisfied. You
> >>> >> state you have demonstrated knowledge of Egyptian measurements but do
> >>> >> not know the difference between a khet (length) and a khet (area.
> >>> >> Think mile, square mile.
>
> >>> > What is more, I never will be satisfied while you insist on answering
> >>> > my simple question about what is meant by 'khat', by finding and
> >>> > dumping on me long quotes about 'khet'.
>
> >>> >    'khet'  #  'khat'  
>
> >>> >  ... even if they almost look the same.
>
> >>> I will not attempt to challenge your knowledge of Egyptian
> >>> measurement, but I think Kanga's use of "khat" in this thread
> >>> might have been a simple typo. The word he quoted immediately
> >>> before his typing "khat" was "khet". I took "khat" as a typo, and
> >>> read the rest of his post. It scanned, as well as anything Kanga
> >>> writes scans, fine taking his "khat" to mean "khet".
>
> >>> But again, I have not followed this thread in the detail as have
> >>> you and Jack, so I don't offer this as anything but a possibility
> >>> that may, if correct, help solve a minor mystery.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Tom
>
> >>> When Tyrants tremble, sick with fear,
> >>> And hear their death-knell ringing;
> >>> When friends rejoice, both far and near,
> >>> How can I keep from singing.
>
> >>Besides khat = headdress, khet = measurement
>
> >>Look it up
>
> >If you examine the first two items found athttp://tinyurl.com/cxbd2h
> >you will conclude that "a khat, (is) a twisted cord of 100 cubits
> >(used) by "rope stretchers", called harpedonaptai" Unfortunately I
> >cannot get to the relevant part of the site) and also that the khat is
> >a measuring device.  Separate research will show that a khet is indeed
> >a unit of measure but it is a unit of area.
>
> Khat means the physical body:http://tinyurl.com/cv96g5as well as headdress.
>
> Khet is the unit of measurement, 100 cubits.http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jBNUAAAAMAAJ&q=khet+twisted+cord+%...http://tinyurl.com/cbowu2
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cgz6ha
>
> and more here, with mention of the 'square' khethttp://tinyurl.com/d69vso
>
> The first two items at your url have a Springer article where I can only
> assume they spelled it wrong, and the 2nd something that looks irrelevant
> to this discussion. The 4th mentions Khat again but not only is it a very
> different time period, I see no reason to take it seriously (a power point
> presentation about measuring the earth).
>
> Doug
> --
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Hi Doug

Have you looked at the iron tool that started this recent interest
mate

Its  contained in this post if you wish to look at it , perhaps you
know of similar items ""

kanga
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 update on / Re the Fabian Ancient Mine 1 " iron tool "

The tool and the mine site have proven beyond all doubt to be genuine
and exact in every detail to the Turin Papyrus gold mine


There  is a mountain of evidence over 3 million tons of mine waste as
expected from the papyrus , impossible to forge  ,  that all fit , to
identify a vast ancient mine worked over centuries over 3200 years
ago , in south Australia

over a million cubic meters  of ore , moved from an open cut to a
adjacent ore processing area and hundreds of cubic meters of ground
quartz at the refinery , all exactly as and where marked on the Turin
papyrus with every road still easily  visible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_Papyrus_Map
, and the iron tool is actually gold plated or gilded , even though
most gilding is not visible in the pic ,  it is visible to the
trained  eye   , and it had  a  bone / ivory handle  , buried with
several leather bags of "ground rock" / ochres ,  found under the
gilded rusty iron tool , , much decayed but clearly preserved , that
were the  exact colors used on the Turin papyrus  gold mine map , the
evidence is over whelming

If you can zoom in on the old iron tool it is possible even online to
spot the shiny reflection/ white spots  of the gold / gilded tool ,
only a few specks of which remain , but are clearly GILDING , under
close examination , and may be more clearly seen on the reverse if we
need to dig the tool out of the conglomerate holding it , at some
stage but not unless forced to , the sample is AS FOUND at present
other than scrubbing with water and nylon brush
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/10myuynnc9kf6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/10myuynnc9kf6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

the ancient mine seen in the Turin papyrus is in south Australia mate

im seeknig legal advice on what do do next



there is nil doubt mate,the evidence is over whelming , wait till i
get it all on video  , and walk you through the map and the mine site
step by step , its as clear as the nose on your face , to anybody who
holds a map of the Turin papyrus and walks slowly over the site,  you
will have nil doubt , without needing to even dig , but if you do it
all is exactly in every minute detail a 100% match , as you walk
looking for each feature on the map to appear it DOES exactly where
the map shows it SHOULD be , every last detail and more once you are
on site it all fits so clearly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_Papyrus_Map


let the facts on the ground speak for them selves

nobody can forge a 3 million ton  3200 year old gold mine site  , the
evidence should be easily identifiable to a trained eye with a map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_Papyrus_Map
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/10myuynnc9kf6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

The site was abandoned 3200 years ago as worked out , IMHO , this
seems a likely reason for all the wars in the middle east at that
time , and the collapse of all the powers of the day , probably
because the supply of gold stopped ?? and wars were the only way to
replace the lost wealth , they destroyed each other stealing assets
from each other in a series of wars that swept the civilized world
powers of the day , who all relied on gold from the east / land of
punt in some legends , but 3 years by sea in most accounts ,to the
east in all legends , ie south Australia ???

Some claim the invention of iron weapons caused the wars 3200 years
ago ,I claim it was the ending of the flow of gold that started to
drive to military rather than economic  methods to retain power

Lack of plentiful GOLD from the east , not the invention of iron tools
as often claimed may be the reason the ancient Egypt collapsed and
wars ravaged the middle east 1300 BC

They always had weapons , why the sudden ongoing wasteful wars at the
same time as the gold stopped flowing , which came first iron tools
or gold shortage ???? , WHY would not some body know where the mines
were if a war happened somebody would survive and  re open the mines ,
captured maps or prisoners would lead them to rediscover the gold
mines IF THEY WERE STILL VALUABLE,they were not lost IMHO  , they were
exhausted / mined out IMHO ???

not unlike today , as the existing world powers seek to prop up their
collapsing empires by looting the black gold mines in iraq in
wasteful expensive futile wars to retain power exactly as they did
3200 years ago when the cheap gold ran out
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/gabr0008.htm
One of the most important stimuli for this military revolution was the
discovery and use of iron. Iron was first employed as a technology of
war about 1300 B.C. by the Hittites. Within a hundred years the secret
of iron making and cold forging had spread at least to Palestine and
Egypt and, perhaps, to Mesopotamia as well. Iron weapons were heated
and hammered into shape rather than cast, making them stronger, less
brittle, and more reliable that bronze weapons

I wont be online much  for a while mate

I need to get legal advise and sort out some video  crew and media
things  sorted out

PS , there will be no treasures found , this was a mine far from the
civilized world and as all miners know  mines dont have nice stuff ,
the wealthy and treasures are to be found in Egypt , like modern
mines , there wont be much of values after 3200 years , mainly mining
waste , it took me 50 years to find one rusty iron tool , miners got
much less than the owners
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/10myuynnc9kf6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

http://mail.google.com/mail/h/10myuynnc9kf6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

kanga
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