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"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
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> me <us@muhabean.com> wrote in message news
>
> > In article <de74397d.0212022009.42b66bbd@posting.google.com>,
> > google@integrate.com says...
> > >
> > >Yousef <me@our.com> wrote in message news:<L9NG9.34913
> > >
> > >> So, about those North American land claims,
> > >
> > >The basis of Land Claims is British law that recognized the "tribes
> > >and nations" that were "in possession of the lands" at the time the
> > >land was claimed for the British Crown.  It had nothing to do with
> > >hypotheticl events 9000 years earlier.
> > >
> > >British law has remained in place in Canada continiously since that
> > >time unless specicificaly revoked.
> > >
> > >You don't have a clue.
> >
> > Whats a matter? Afraid you're gonna lose your handout?
>
> [Deilly]What the f...???
>
> > Get a job, be a Canadian, quit feeling sorry for yourself,
> > like you are a victim of the bad white people who took
> > your land.
>
>[Deilly] I am a canadian, I have a job, I own a business and I am white.
And I
> don't have a handout.  So far you have said five things that aren't
> true, and I'm only at your second paragraph.  Excuse my while I call
> you an ignorant loudmouth.
>
> > Quit taking breeding stocks in rivers and live by the rules
> > of the land.
> >
> > The native peoples were conquered. It happens.
>
> [Deiilly]Name the battles where they were conquered in Canada.
>
> > Humans are bad.
>
> Are you mentally ill?
>
{SE} Neither of you are apparently the sharpest knives in the drawer.

> > Likely no one from that time period is even alive now.

{SE} Like Duh -- 9000 years ago (or even 120)??!!

> [Deilly]The law lives on even when people die.
> You don't believe in the rule of law?
>
> > Born in Canada? You're a Canadian.
> > The rest is just pure bull, and you know what?
>
> [Deilly]Not according to Canadian courts and canadian law.  Do you think
the
> law should be set aside just because it annoys YOU?
>
> > Its not helping the native people get off their knees either.
> > From a young age, the children are taught that they are victims.
> > The white man took their stuff.
>
> [Deilly]In many cases this is true.
> Took their land, did not allow them to participate in the economy (no
> homestead lands for indfians, no fishing licences), made it illegal to
> get a mortgate on the bit of land they were left with so no way of
> financing business -- and all of this in violation of laws that
> existed then, and have existed continuiosly since then.
>
> > So what are they?
> > Poor little indians.
> >
> > They have no self esteem and they kill themselves and destroy
> > their brains sniffing gas, and die on the streets of alchohol
> > poisoning. Human frickin refuse.
> >
> > Tell you what, shut the fuck up asshole.
>
> [Deilly]Tell you what - why don't you go back outside and shoot some more
> holes in roadsigns and bang your step-sister, asshole.

{SE} Another wonderful example of Deilly's brilliant dialogue.  I am sure he
refers to a redneck Albertan there, but his dialogue and choice of words is
generally poor (clean it up David -- mostly you rant and say nothing
intelligent in response when Mr. Trammel yanks your chain by spouting
nonsense -- apart from the "did so, did not" stuff that even my little kids
are past.  Try being substantive.  That will really make Mr. Trammel look as
stupid as he is).

{SE} More substantively, 9000 years is the basis of Aboriginal claims to
inherent rights.  The British clown (or is that crown?) failed to negotiate
settlements in some parts of the country and that is why we are where we are
at here in BC.  Land claims generally aren't an issue in other parts of the
country, because treaties were signed (irregardless of whether the First
Nations knew what they were doing) and the British law stands in this
country.

{SE} That our First Nations are destroying what is left of them through
alcoholism, drugs, glue, whatever, is something we should all care about.
They are people too, eh?  Try showing some humanity -- even the lower beasts
show compassion for those who suffer ("human refuse" -- a wonderful way to
characterize a million people in our country -- bloody redneck! -- do you
actually know what that refers to you poor example of humankind?!).  Are
they to blame for their situation?  Hmmm... Partly, maybe.  Is the
government to blame.  Definitely.  Are we (all of us, collectively) to
blame? Definitely (we are all accomplices, no less than the guy who drives
the get-away car).  Are we going to find a solution that doesn't involve
some sort of really significant compensation, long term support, etc...?
Not likely.

{SE} Get real. It is an issue.  What do you suggest to address it?

Cheers!