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Article #851Re: Indologist confirms maize in ancient sculptures
From: lbrman
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:00
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In article <mcculloch.2.70.3641AC75@osu.edu>, mcculloch.2@osu.edu (Hu McCulloch) wrote: > > Graham Harden had written, concerning the 12th-13th c Hoysala > temple carvings identified as maize by Johannessen and Parker > (1989 _Economic Botany_) and now confirmed by Shakti M Gupta > (_Plants in Indian Temple Art_, 1996), > I have two Climbing Ceriman (Monstera deliciosa) plants growing in my greenhouse. The fruit develops in a hard leathery sheath, and it looks very much like an ear of corn. I have not yet had the pleasure of tasting one, since for some reason, they don't ripen, just go from green to rotten. > >>I know they look like > >>maize to the Americo-centric eye, but to me the first impression I have is > >>of the fruit of the Monstera deliciosa..... aka fruit-salad-fruit. > > I had replied, > >The leaf of the Monstera deliciosa does appear in pre-Columbian India > >temple art, according to Gupta (pp. 108-9). However, Monstera is > >_also_ a New World plant! Out of 70 plants Gupta identifies in > >temple art, 6 are New World! I wasn't aware it had a noteworthy fruit, > >but I highly doubt that it matches these closer than maize. I'll look for > >an illustration of it when I get over to the Botany library one of these > >days. To Dr. Gupta's "Indo-centric" eye (she's an Indologist and an > >ethnobotanist, affiliated with the University of Delhi), the sculptures look > >like maize, not monstera fruits, which she is surely familiar with. > > I still haven't found a photo of the monstera fruit, but I've turned > up some useful information about the monstera on the web. > The Monstera deliciosa is also known as the split leaf > philodendron, Philodendron pertusum, Mexican breadfruit, > and ceriman. An award winning photo of its unusual flower > is at crfg.org/photocon/1997.html See also > www.rareplants.com/pict20.html > www.ftg.org/imagelibrary/16image.html > www.msue.msu.edu/msue/imp/modop/00000966.html > www.mrs.umn.edu/academic/biology/database/html/ > Monstera_deliciosa.html > > On more closely reading Gupta's entry on Monstera deliciosa > Leibm., she says it has a "cone-like edible fruit which has a mixed > flavour of pineapple and banana and considered a delicacy. The > fruit takes a long time to mature and ripens from base upwards." > (p. 108). I hadn't noticed it earlier, but in her Plate 136, > the standing Vishnu not only has monstera leaves draping > over his shoulders, but also, "The figure on Vishnu's right is > holding a fruit of Monstera on a plate in his left hand." (p. 109) > The fruit is shown on a very small scale, and the sculpture is > somewhat damaged, so it is not clear from this photo what > the fruit really looks like, or whether it could be mistaken for > a maize ear. > > -- Hu McCulloch > http://www.economics.sbs.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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