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Article #962Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts
From: Ross Clark
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:00
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Yuri Kuchinsky wrote: > > Ross Clark (drc@antnov1.auckland.ac.nz) wrote on Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:17:44 +1300: > : Yuri Kuchinsky wrote: > > : What I asked for (you can read it) was evidence relating the Polynesians > : _specifically_ to that particular part of the Americas, not to "America". > : It's now obvious you haven't got any. Why not admit it? Heck, you can > : even blame me again, if you want to. > > What kinds of games is Ross trying to play here? He's complaining that I > didn't give him information relating "_specifically_ to that particular > part of the Americas". But meanwhile, here it was below! > > The only thing that I can say here is... Duh!!! > > : > Specifically, among the Kwakiutl, there is only .6% of of B, and no AB. > : > (p. 88, AMERICAN INDIANS IN THE PACIFIC) This corresponds very closely > : > with Polynesians and NZ Maoris. > : > > : > Moreover, these B and AB groups are actually _the lowest_ in eastern > : > Polynesia and NZ compared with Western Polynesia where they begin to > : > appear at low levels! > : > > : > This should make it clear that Polynesians spread out from America, and > : > acquired these groups in a small way later through intermarriage with > : > Melanesians. In Samoa, B is quite high. > : > > : > : I neglected to point out that neither are they > : > : osteological > : > > : > You're wrong. > > : I'm wrong? Blood groups are osteological? > > Double Duh!!! Osteological evidence was explained there in the same > post! > > : > Osteological evidence? There's plenty of such evidence indicating that > : > Polynesia was settled originally by more than one racial group. But this > : > research has been done early in this century (at that time it was > : > mainstream) and by now is basically buried into the ground by the > : > triumphant Dumbed-down School of Historiography. > > It seems like Ross is coming apart here... A Newager confronted with all > this solid weight of scientific evidence. Perhaps you should go back to > crystals, Ross? This meat is too tough for you... Well, let's see what we've got so far. Yuri was to present *DNA* and *osteological* evidence linking the Polynesians specifically with the Kwakiutl or other peoples of the *NW Coast* of North America. What has been presented? DNA evidence: Nil Osteological evidence: "indicating that Polynesia was settled originally by more than one racial group". Sorry, not what was promised. and, as a bonus, (surprise!) Blood Groups: indicating that the Kwakiutl, *like every other Amerindian group* have a very low instance of B. In sum: No evidence at all of the type promised. Wouldn't it have saved time just to admit it? Ross Clark
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fcea6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gidfcea6,public X-Google-Thread: 10065c,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid10065c,public X-Google-Thread: 1129f3,716126af31e790df X-Google-Attributes: gid1129f3,public X-Google-Thread: 1119a6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid1119a6,public From: Ross Clark <drc@antnov1.auckland.ac.nz> Subject: Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts Date: 1998/10/04 Message-ID: <3616FFF3.70C8@antnov1.auckland.ac.nz> X-Deja-AN: 397533255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <p-ashby-2909981248330001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6utr22$alv$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <3612BF4E.6CDD@antnov1.auckland.ac.nz> <6v0hmj$71e$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <36140D98.1D4F@antnov1.auckland.ac.nz> <6v5kk0$sv$1@whisper.globalserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: University of Auckland Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,bionet.general,sci.misc,sci.bio.misc