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Article #964Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts
From: Gerard Tromp
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:00
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Yuri Kuchinsky wrote: > > Peter Ashby (p-ashby@nimr.MAPS.mrc.ac.uk) wrote on 2 Oct 1998 20:07:08 GMT: > : In article <6v35uf$9bv$1@whisper.globalserve.net>, yuku@globalserve.net > : (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote: > > : > You're being dishonest again. Group B does not just disappear "easily". > [SNIP] Could someone please summarize, succinctly, the genetic data in these arguments. On the one hand we have some reference to a low representation of B blood groups (genetic isolates tend to have these biases), on the other some mtDNA evidence that I seem to have missed (perhpaps my newsfeed did not pick it up). What comprised the mtDNA data? What were the conclusions from the mtDNA data (I infer that it provides a link to the Asian population rather than that of the Americas). We seem to be getting an awful lot of hot air about this. As has been pointed out, allele frequencies at a particular locus are rather poor evidence of relatedness due to fluctuations over the time spans involved, one would have to take frequencies from a whole array of nuclear genes into consideration to ensure that selection at a given locus was not influential. Even then founder effects _could_ play havoc with the outcome when comparing distant relationships in a pairwise manner (i.e. over long periods of time), and without intermediate data. As has also been pointed out, mtDNA evidence tends to be more useful for establishing distant relationships since it is prone to fewer selective pressures (most of the selective pressures occurred during the developement of early eukaryotes when mitochondria lost a number of genes whose function was assumeed by nuclear genes, leading to a rather minimal, asexual genome), and is transmitted linealy without recombination from mother to offspring. Gerard -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gerard Tromp, Ph.D. CMMG, Wayne State University vox: 313-577-8773 3116, Scott Hall fax: 313-577-5218 540 E Canfield Ave e-mail: tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu Detroit, MI 48201 gtromp@cmb.biosci.wayne.edu
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fcea6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gidfcea6,public X-Google-Thread: 1129f3,716126af31e790df X-Google-Attributes: gid1129f3,public X-Google-Thread: 1119a6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid1119a6,public X-Google-Thread: 10065c,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid10065c,public From: Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> Subject: Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts Date: 1998/10/04 Message-ID: <3617EDC5.1E231FD5@sanger.med.wayne.edu> X-Deja-AN: 397718735 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <p-ashby-0210981816080001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6v35uf$9bv$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <p-ashby-0210982112360001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6v8a4l$3ui$1@whisper.globalserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Wayne State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,bionet.general,sci.misc,sci.bio.misc