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Article #967Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts
From: J.R. Pelmont
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:00
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Peter Ashby <p-ashby@nimr.MAPS.mrc.ac.uk> wrote (�crivait)�: > ...(snip) .........I said that the disappearance can be easily > *accounted for* that is an entirely different thing. The disappearance > takes time obviously, although selective death on a voyage could EASILY do > the same thing quite quickly. > .....(snip)... Although not a specialist of population dynamics, it sounds as an interesting argument. When very few people established somewhere, often after many deadly tries across huge distances, they could represent a peculiar sampling of the starting population, just as my own family is not representative of the average genetic features of my country. Some genes may have been selected by chance. I have read in the past that population tracing by use of blood groups is not quite reliable if not done together with other techniques, such as mtDNA sequencing. The molecular difference between the determinants of A and B groups is tiny. In the Y-shaped surface polysaccharides of red cells, one of the branch has a N-acetylgalactosamine unit (A), or a galactose (B). The difference in A and B specificity appears to reside ultimately in a relatively small structural variation, namely in the substituent at C-2 in a sugar with a galactose configuration (sorry for this chemical detail). The assembly of sugar units in polysaccharides is controlled by the speciificity of enzymes that catalyse the binding with a very strict orientation. Mutations occurring by chance can modify the specificity of the enzymes (or suppress it), so a different sugar is installed. The same changes can occur in a population at different times and be unrelated. This may blurr the tracing of events. Probably blood group statistics must be used with extreme care before conclusions be drawn about human migratory events, but I am aware that other facts I do not know may exist and contradict this. Sincerely -- J. Pelmont, Biochimie Univ. Grenoble I
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: fcea6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gidfcea6,public X-Google-Thread: 1129f3,716126af31e790df X-Google-Attributes: gid1129f3,public X-Google-Thread: 10065c,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid10065c,public X-Google-Thread: 1119a6,4a599aa9a3239f6e X-Google-Attributes: gid1119a6,public From: Jean.Pelmont@wanadoo.fr (J.R. Pelmont) Subject: Re: Ashby dishonesty and bias (was: botanical facts Date: 1998/10/06 Message-ID: <19981006174355784302@iroko.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Deja-AN: 398319558 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <p-ashby-2909981248330001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6utr22$alv$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <6utrco$4g0$6@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <6v0f9p$q45$2@whisper.globalserve.net> <p-ashby-0210981005070001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6v2un2$4k2$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <p-ashby-0210981816080001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> <6v35uf$9bv$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <p-ashby-0210982112360001@mac120.nimr.mrc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Univ. Joseph Fourier, Grenoble Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,bionet.general,sci.misc,sci.bio.misc