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Article #994Re: ancient gourd (Lagenaria)
From: Larry Elmore
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:00
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:00
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Garry Williams wrote in article <33b4820f.2286472@news.earthlink.net>... >yuku@mail.trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote: > >>May I remind you also that most of the theories about gourd floating over >>_assume_ that it floated over because it was used as a net flotation >>device by early fisherfolk. So it must have been a cultigen, or at least a >>cultivar by then. Otherwise, there's still a problem of how did it get in >>the water _in the first place_! > >A storm such as a hurricane? An animal, any animal (including a human) >simply discarding it uneaten/unused? Growing on a riverbank and >falling into the water at maturity? I know studies have shown that gourds can last quite a long time in sea water, but weren't these tests conducted in tanks of seawater? There's any number of animals in the sea that might find the gourd a tasty meal, like the teredo worm loves wood, I think. Has anyone done studies on gourds actually at sea? Considering some of the truly asinine projects that have been funded by the government over the years, maybe a well-written grant proposal could get funding for the dispersal of a million or so tagged gourds off the African coast while numbers of us spend the next year or so anxiously cruising the famous beaches of South America and the Caribbean islands for successful ocean-crossing gourds.... :) Of course, once the gourd got across, I'm not at all sure how it would get to a suitable place to germinate. The beach doesn't seem too inviting from the gourd's point of view. Perhaps carried by a swallow? European or African? Larry
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