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GREAT WALL OF CHINA -- WHY WAS IT BUILT? Rewriting History ....
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Author: Ed Conrad
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:32
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>
(Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's
Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance
While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?"
continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book
may  be finished in time for Christmas.) 

>                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>           Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA 
>
One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along 
with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall 
of China was built. 
>
Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great 
Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being 
invaded. 
<
Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who 
claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the 
agricultural Chinese in the south  and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic 
cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well 
as cats and dogs. 
<
Nonsense! 
>
Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great 
Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace 
within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length --
nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas, 
including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great 
distance from civilization. 
<
And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have 
done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion 
anyway. 
<
This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian 
hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall
at  numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China. 
<
The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed 
had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but, 
instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China. 
< 
China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with 
those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes 
and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered 
religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling, 
gargantuan undertaking. 
<
This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible 
``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating -- 
with non-Chinese. 
<
Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original 
section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various 
scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and
believe it had begun much earlier. 
<
indeed, it did. 
>
Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for 
extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles 
long). 
>
But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was 
to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately 
attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible  way -- in Nazi 
Germany in the 1930s.) 
>
==============================�============= 
<
<
> WORLD'S LARGEST NEWSPAPERS
1. Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan)            14,532,694
2. Asahi Shimbun (Japan)                12,601,375
3. Sichuan Ribao (China)                  8,000,000
4. Mainichi Shimbun (Japan)            5,845,857
5. Bild (Germany)                                5,674,400
6. Chunichi Shimbun (Japan)          4,323,144
7. Sun (England)                                 3,718,354
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9. Sankei Shimbun (Japan)               2,890,835
10. Nihon Keizai Shimbun (Japan)  2,705,877
11. Gongren Ribao (China)               2,500,000
12. Daily Mail (England)                     2,387,867
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14. Chosun Ilbo (South Korea)         2,225,000
15. Dong-A Ilbo (South Korea)          2,150,000
16. Hokkaido Shimbun (Japan)        1,962,666
17. Eleftherotypia (Greece)                1,858,316
18. Xin Min Wan Bao (China)            1,750,000
19. Wall Street Journal (U>S>)         1,740,450
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21. Kerala Kaumudi (India)               1,720,000
22. Wen Hui Bao Daily (China          1,700,000
23. USA Today (United States)         1,653,428
24. Joong-Ang Ilbo (South Korea)    1,550,000
25. Economic Daily (China)               1,500,000
26. Rodong Sinmun (North Korea ) 1,500,000
27. Kyung-Hyang Daily News (S/ Korea) 1,478,537
28. Sports Nippon (Japan)                1,452,699
29. Shizuoka Shimbun (Japan))       1,442,310
30. Sankei Sports (Japan)                 1,367,734
31. West Deutche Allgemeine (Germany) 1,313,400
32. United Daily News (Taiwan)       1,300,000
33. China Times (Taiwan)                 1,270,000
34. O Estado de Sao Paulo (Brazil)  1,230,160
35. Jang Daily (Pakistan)                    1,200,000
36. Jang Lahore (Pakistan)                1,200,000
37. Akhbar El Yom/Al Akhbar (Egypt) 1,159,339
38. Hankook Ilbo (South Korea)         1,156,000
39. Hochi Shimbun (Japan)                 1,119,031
40. Daily Express (England)                1,118,981
41. Los Angeles Times (U.S.)             1,067,540
42. New York Times (United States)  1,066,540
43. Tokyo Shimbun (Japan                  1,062,080
44. Daily Telegraph (England)             1,047,861
45. Nishinippon Shimbun (Japan)      1,041,104
46. Jiefang Ribao (China)                     1,000,000
47. Nanfang Ribao (China)                   1,000,000
48. Nongmin Ribao (China)                  1,000,000
49. Zhongguo Qingnian Ribao (China) 1,000,000
50. Nikkan Sports (Japan)                           984,058
51. Al Akhbar (Egypt)                                     980,000
52. Guangming Ribao (China)                    950,000
53. Al Ahram (Egypt)                                      900,000
54. Al Goumhouriya (Egypt)                         900,000
55. Seoul Shinmun (South Korea)             900,000
56. Xin Hua Ribao (China)                           900,000
57. Verdens Gang (Norway)                        870,267
58. Corriere della Sera (Italy)                      868,266
59. Kyoto Shimbun (Japan)                         839,499
60. Chugoku Shimbun (Japan)                   831,165
61. Jang (Pakistan)                                       820,000
62. Times of India (India)                             813,000
63. Kobe Shimbun (Japan)                         810,353
64. Beijing Wanbao (China)                       800,000
65. Hubei Ribao (China)                             800,000
66. Jiefangjun Ribao (China)                     800,000
67. Trybuna Slaska (Poland)                     800,000
68. La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy)              798,243
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70. Holos Ukrainy (Ukraine)                       768,000
71. The Times (England)                            766,999
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73. Washington Post (United States)       759,122
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75. De Telegraf (Netherlands)                   751,400
76. Gazeta Wyborcza (Poland)                   750,000
77. Zero Hora (Brazil)                                   727,188
78. Diario dos Campos (Brazil)                 725,000
79. New York Daily News (U.S.)                723,143
80. Sabah (Turkey)                                       722,950
81. Jornal da Tarde (Brazil)                        709,793
82. Beijing Ribao (China)                           700,000
83. Chongqing Ribao (China)                   700,000
84. Clarin (Argentina)                                  700,000
85. Thai Rath (Thailand                              700,000
86. Zhejiang Ribao (China)                        700,000
87. Diario Insular (Portugal)                       684,143
88. Granma Internacional (Cuba)              675,000
89. Chicago Tribune (United States)         673,508
90. Daily Record (Scotland)                        671,267
91. China Daily News (Taiwan)                 670,000
92. The Daily Star (England)                      650,406
93. Guangxi Ribao (China)                         650,000
94. Malayala Manorama (India)                 630,068
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96. Hurriyet (Turkey)                                     615,579
97. Herald Sun (Australia)                          600,000
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99. Liaoning Ribao (China)                        600,000
100. Oriental Daily News (Hong Kong)    600,000
< 
>  Largest Newspapers (by circulation) in the U.S 
USA Today 
Wall Street Journal 
New York Times 
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Washington Post 
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Chicago Tribune 
Newsday 
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San Francisco Chronicle 
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Indianapolis Star 
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Columbus Dispatch 
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Norfolk Virginian Pilot 
Daily Oklahoman 
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Richmond Times Dispatch 
Cincinnati Enquirer 
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Tennessean 
Contra Costa Times 
Arkansas Democrat Gazette 
Los Angeles Daily News 
Bergen County Record 
Rochester Democrat & Chronicle 
Jacksonville Florida Times-Union 
Palm Beach Post 
Asbury Park Press 
>
> Pennsylvania Newspaper Association  [Harrisburg] 
Allentown Morning Call  [Allentown] 
Beaver County Times   [Beaver] 
The Bradford Era   [Bradford] 
Bridgeville Star   [Bridgeville] 
Bucks County Courier Times   [Levittown] 
Butler Eagle   [Butler] 
Centre Daily Times   [State College] 
Chester County Press   [Oxford] 
Citizen Standard   [Valley View] 
The Citizens Voice   [Wilkes Barre] 
City Paper   [Philadelphia] 
Clarion News   [Clarion] 
Coraopolis Record   [Coropolis] 
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Cranberry Journal   [Cranberry] 
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News-Item   [Shamokin] 
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Woodland Progress   [Forest Hills] 
York Daily Record   [York] 
York Dispatch   [York] 
>
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 Los Angeles: News, Times 
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Riverside: Press-Enterprise 
Sacramento: Bee 
San Diego: Union-Tribune 
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Re: GREAT WALL OF CHINA -- WHY WAS IT BUILT? Rewriting History ....
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Author: Jim Cate
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:41
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Ed Conrad wrote:

>(Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's
>Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance
>While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?"
>continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book
>may  be finished in time for Christmas.) 
>
>  
>
>>                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>>          Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA 
>>
>>    
>>
>One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along 
>with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall 
>of China was built. 
>  
>
>Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great 
>Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being 
>invaded. 
><
>Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who 
>claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the 
>agricultural Chinese in the south  and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic 
>cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well 
>as cats and dogs. 
><
>Nonsense! 
>  
>
>Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great 
>Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace 
>within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length --
>nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas, 
>including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great 
>distance from civilization. 
><
>And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have 
>done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion 
>anyway. 
><
>This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian 
>hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall
>at  numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China. 
><
>The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed 
>had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but, 
>instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China. 
>< 
>China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with 
>those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes 
>and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered 
>religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling, 
>gargantuan undertaking. 
><
>This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible 
>``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating -- 
>with non-Chinese. 
><
>Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original 
>section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various 
>scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and
>believe it had begun much earlier. 
><
>indeed, it did. 
>  
>
>Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for 
>extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles 
>long). 
>  
>
>But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was 
>to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately 
>attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible  way -- in Nazi 
>Germany in the 1930s.) 
>  
>
>==============================�============= 
><
>
>  
>
>I was there a few months ago, and the interpretation we read was that the reason the wall failed initially was that the moguls kept riding northeast along its length until they reached the end and were thereby able to ride around it and come back on the other side.  In other words, contrary to your interpretation, it wasn't built long enough.  It's my understanding that, in subsequent years, the invaders were able to break through the wall at other locations, as you suggest.   As to its strength and effectiveness, remember that it did hold for hundreds of years, making the great Ming and Ying dynasties and their associated cultural and scientific advances possible. Physically, there are fortified guardhouses spaced along its length in rather close proximity, a few hundred yards apart.
>
Jim

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  <pre wrap=""><!---->(Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's
Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance
While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?"
continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book
may  be finished in time for Christmas.) 

  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
          Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA 

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  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along 
with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall 
of China was built. 
  </pre>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great 
Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being 
invaded. 
&lt;
Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who 
claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the 
agricultural Chinese in the south  and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic 
cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well 
as cats and dogs. 
&lt;
Nonsense! 
  </pre>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great 
Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace 
within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length --
nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas, 
including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great 
distance from civilization. 
&lt;
And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have 
done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion 
anyway. 
&lt;
This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian 
hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall
at  numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China. 
&lt;
The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed 
had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but, 
instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China. 
&lt; 
China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with 
those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes 
and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered 
religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling, 
gargantuan undertaking. 
&lt;
This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible 
``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating -- 
with non-Chinese. 
&lt;
Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original 
section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various 
scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and
believe it had begun much earlier. 
&lt;
indeed, it did. 
  </pre>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for 
extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles 
long). 
  </pre>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was 
to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately 
attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible  way -- in Nazi 
Germany in the 1930s.) 
  </pre>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->==============================&shy;============= 
&lt;

  </pre>
  <pre wrap="">I was there a few months ago, and the interpretation we read was that the reason the wall failed initially was that the moguls kept riding northeast along its length until they reached the end and were thereby able to ride around it and come back on the other side.  In other words, contrary to your interpretation, it wasn't built long enough.  It's my understanding that, in subsequent years, the invaders were able to break through the wall at other locations, as you suggest.   As to its strength and effectiveness, remember that it did hold for hundreds of years, making the great Ming and Ying dynasties and their associated cultural and scientific advances possible. Physically, there are fortified guardhouses spaced along its length in rather close proximity, a few hundred yards apart.</pre>
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