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GREAT WALL OF CHINA -- WHY WAS IT BUILT? Rewriting History ....
Author: Ed Conrad
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:32
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> (Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?" continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book may be finished in time for Christmas.) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA > One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall of China was built. > Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being invaded. < Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the agricultural Chinese in the south and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well as cats and dogs. < Nonsense! > Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length -- nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas, including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great distance from civilization. < And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion anyway. < This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall at numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China. < The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but, instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China. < China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling, gargantuan undertaking. < This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible ``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating -- with non-Chinese. < Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and believe it had begun much earlier. < indeed, it did. > Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles long). > But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible way -- in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.) > ==============================�============= < < > WORLD'S LARGEST NEWSPAPERS 1. 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Re: GREAT WALL OF CHINA -- WHY WAS IT BUILT? Rewriting History ....
Author: Jim Cate
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:41
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:41
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Ed Conrad wrote:
>(Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's
>Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance
>While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?"
>continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book
>may be finished in time for Christmas.)
>
>
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA
>>
>>
>>
>One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along
>with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall
>of China was built.
>
>
>Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great
>Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being
>invaded.
><
>Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who
>claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the
>agricultural Chinese in the south and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic
>cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well
>as cats and dogs.
><
>Nonsense!
>
>
>Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great
>Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace
>within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length --
>nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas,
>including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great
>distance from civilization.
><
>And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have
>done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion
>anyway.
><
>This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian
>hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall
>at numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China.
><
>The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed
>had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but,
>instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China.
><
>China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with
>those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes
>and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered
>religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling,
>gargantuan undertaking.
><
>This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible
>``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating --
>with non-Chinese.
><
>Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original
>section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various
>scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and
>believe it had begun much earlier.
><
>indeed, it did.
>
>
>Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for
>extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles
>long).
>
>
>But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was
>to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately
>attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible way -- in Nazi
>Germany in the 1930s.)
>
>
>==============================�=============
><
>
>
>
>I was there a few months ago, and the interpretation we read was that the reason the wall failed initially was that the moguls kept riding northeast along its length until they reached the end and were thereby able to ride around it and come back on the other side. In other words, contrary to your interpretation, it wasn't built long enough. It's my understanding that, in subsequent years, the invaders were able to break through the wall at other locations, as you suggest. As to its strength and effectiveness, remember that it did hold for hundreds of years, making the great Ming and Ying dynasties and their associated cultural and scientific advances possible. Physically, there are fortified guardhouses spaced along its length in rather close proximity, a few hundred yards apart.
>
Jim
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Ed Conrad wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap=""><!---->(Rave reviews of the first two chapter's of ``Ed's Conrad's
Historical Overhaul" -- ``Columbus' Didn't Take a Chance
While Disovering America" and "Bering Strait or Bering Crooked?"
continue to pour in and the really good news is that the book
may be finished in time for Christmas.)
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<pre wrap=""> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chapter III: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA
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<pre wrap=""><!---->One of the world's most perplexing of life's mysteries, along
with the construction of the pyramids, is WHY the Great Wall
of China was built.
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Almost everyone gullibly accepts the proposition that the Great
Wall was built for only one reason: to prevent China from being
invaded.
<
Then there are others ( i.e., some Chinese historical scholars) who
claim it was built to serve as a permanent barrier between the
agricultural Chinese in the south and the Xiong Nu (the nomadic
cattle-raisers) in the north, since they apparently got along as well
as cats and dogs.
<
Nonsense!
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Anyone with a semblance of common sense realizes that, if the Great
Wall had been constructed to keep an enemy out or to keep the peace
within, it never would've have been extended to such a great length --
nearly 4,000 miles -- and continue through so many isolated areas,
including the mountains and along the borders of deserts, a great
distance from civilization.
<
And, besides, the Great Wall --- about 25 feet high -- couldn't have
done an adequate job of protecting the Chinese from an invasion
anyway.
<
This was proven explicitly eight centuries ago when the Mongolian
hordes of Generalisimo Genghis Khan successfully scaled the wall
at numerous locations and eventually conquered most of China.
<
The real reason The Great Wall of China was originally constructed
had nothing whatsoever to do with preventing an invasion but,
instead, to keep the ChineseINSIDE China.
<
China's leaders adamantly opposed the mingling of their people with
those in neighboring countries -- preventing romantic interludes
and a mixing of the races -- that, with what would be considered
religious fervor, they ordered the start of the mindboggling,
gargantuan undertaking.
<
This is how concerned the leaders were about the possible
``contamination'' of the Chinese race by mingling -- and mating --
with non-Chinese.
<
Many scientific textbooks claim that construction of the original
section of The Great Wall began around 400 B.C. but various
scientists, especially the Chinese, seriously question this dating and
believe it had begun much earlier.
<
indeed, it did.
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Granted, there may well have been a variety of good reasons for
extending the Great Wall later on (after it was almost 2,000 miles
long).
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->But the sole purpose for starting construction in the first place was
to keep their race pure (which is precisely what a Johnny-Come-Lately
attempted to do -- in an evil, hideous, horrible way -- in Nazi
Germany in the 1930s.)
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->==============================­=============
<
</pre>
<pre wrap="">I was there a few months ago, and the interpretation we read was that the reason the wall failed initially was that the moguls kept riding northeast along its length until they reached the end and were thereby able to ride around it and come back on the other side. In other words, contrary to your interpretation, it wasn't built long enough. It's my understanding that, in subsequent years, the invaders were able to break through the wall at other locations, as you suggest. As to its strength and effectiveness, remember that it did hold for hundreds of years, making the great Ming and Ying dynasties and their associated cultural and scientific advances possible. Physically, there are fortified guardhouses spaced along its length in rather close proximity, a few hundred yards apart.</pre>
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Jim<br>
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