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Article #3376Re: "Modeling" the Expanding Universe? (was Re: That Great Pulsar Timing Flame War)
From: Steve Carlip
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:12
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:12
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In article <C15vrI.6yp@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: > > The hypothesis that the initial explosion was an explosion of >spacetime and not of matter is a big bang hypothesis, not part of GR. This is the basic problem with your argument, Tom --- this statement is not really right. (At least, my interpretation of your interpre- tation of this statement is that you're wrong.) Your criticism of ad hoc assumptions seems to me to come from a confusion between what is assumed and what is derived. General relativity gives a set of field equations that determine the geometry of spacetime (curvature *and* expansion or contraction) from the matter distribution. If you assume a homogeneous, isotropic distribution of matter with standard relationships between density and pressure, you *derive* Friedman-Robertson-Walker cosmology, with a *predicted* relationship between the expansion rate of the universe and the density of matter and radiation. If, on the other hand, you assume an *approximately* homogeneous and isotropic distribution, with local areas of higher or lower density, you can again solve the field equations (at least in a systematic approximation) and look at the predictions. In this case, you find an average expansion rate, but you can also look at the detailed behavior of regions with higher or lower densities. I have not done these calculations myself, but I have no reason to doubt Ethan Vishniac's statement that when this is done, you find that dense enough subsystems do not participate in the expansion. In any case, this is something that can be checked by looking at the predictions of general relativity with the appropriate matter distributions. It is *not* anything new that needs to be brought in from the outside. I gues I don't really understand why this is confusing. In general relativity, space doesn't just expand because it wants to; the expansion is the (predicted) response of spacetime geometry to the presence of matter. If you change the matter distribution, why shouldn't you expect the expansion to change? Steve Carlip carlip@dirac.ucdavis.edu
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!kronos.arc.nasa.gov!butch!netcomsv!netcom.com!csus.edu!ucdavis!landau.ucdavis.edu!carlip From: carlip@landau.ucdavis.edu (Steve Carlip) Newsgroups: sci.astro Subject: Re: "Modeling" the Expanding Universe? (was Re: That Great Pulsar Timing Flame War) Message-ID: <21629@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Date: 21 Jan 93 19:12:14 GMT References: <C12zIH.Ax@well.sf.ca.us> <1993Jan19.053505.6256@athena.mit.edu> <C15vrI.6yp@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu Organization: Physics, UC Davis Lines: 40