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Article #3677Re: Quantisation of REDSHIFT
From: Chris Flatters
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 00:41
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 00:41
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In article 6M6@well.sf.ca.us, metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: >baresson@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (pete.oram) writes: > >> 1. Are there any other significent details that would shed any light on the >> reason for this phenomena? > > Just that the redshift quantization is in the light from the galaxies, >not in the analysis. No periodicity of galaxy redshifts shows up in the raw >data. Only after the raw redshifts are corrected for motion of the Earth >around the galactic center does the periodicity pop out. > >> 2. What statistical methods did Guthrie & Napier use to disprove the >> quantisation? > > See their paper in MNRAS for Dec. 1, 1991, or a popularized summary in >Sky & Telescope for Aug. 1992, p. 128-129. They choose a completely new and >independent sample of galaxies with better distribution, being careful not to >duplicate any used in the original investigations. The effect still showed >up. > >> 3. Does this have any implications for 'Big Bang'? > > Taken on its face, the quantization appears to argue that cosmological >redshift is not due mainly to velocity, because it is impossible to imagine >how the velocities of galaxies can be quantized for us unless we are in a >special place in the universe. As such, this observational result is >evidence (not proof) against the big bang. > >> 4. What other explanations are there for the redshift quantisation if it >> doesn't just correspond to the velocity of the source? > > If redshifts are quantized for us and are caused by velocity alone, they >cannot be quantized for most other observers. So either we are in a special >place in the universe, or cosmological redshift is not due mainly to >expansion velocity. Either way violates premises on which the big bang >theory rests. So other explanations all involve alternative cosmologies. For >example, I have my own proposed explanation in a forthcoming book. To >oversimplify greatly, it is easier to quantize energy than velocity. Quantized redshifts can be explained in the standard cosmological model if galaxies tend to cluster around points in a (nearly) uniform lattice. For example, if galaxies lie at points in a cubic lattice with a cell size of 37.2/h Mpc (where h is the Hubble constant in units of 100 km/s) other galaxies would been seen to have redshifts that were multiples of 37.2 km/s when looking along the axes of the cube (since the standard model predicts that the apparent velocity of recession is linearly related to distance by the Hubble constant). More realistic models (such as the Voronoi foam, where galaxies are confined to sheets, filaments and clusters surrounding voids) also produce similar effects (see the paper by Williams et al., MNRAS, 252:43p for a discussion of cell models applied to redshift quantization and some good references). In favour of this explanation we can note that a cell scale size of about 40/h Mpc is in the same ball park as the characteristic linear dimension of the galactic voids seen in the CfA survey (median size 29/h Mpc) and is of the right order to explain the observed galaxy-galaxy correlation peak at about 5/h Mpc. It does, however, conflict with the 128 km/s periodicity reported by Broadhurst et al. in pencil beam surveys (which isn't a cause for concern unless surveys covering a wider area of sky also show 128 km/s quantizations). More worrying is the fact that Guthrie and Napier report that their periodicity disappears when the redshifts are corrected for the estimated velocity of the Sun with respect to the local group. Chris Flatters cflatter@nrao.edu
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Newsgroups: sci.astro Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!zia.aoc.nrao.edu!laphroaig!cflatter From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) Subject: Re: Quantisation of REDSHIFT Message-ID: <1993Jan9.004155.5051@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> Sender: news@zia.aoc.nrao.edu Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu Organization: NRAO References: <C0JKso.6M6@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:41:55 GMT Lines: 69