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Article #4786Re: pi (was Re: Is lightvelocity accelerating?)
From: Michael Weiss
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:51
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:51
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On 21 Mar 1995 son3776@utdallas.edu wrote: > But seriously, the circle that's drawn is part of spacetime. We are part > of space time. The instruments we measure are part of space time. To > use a planar analogy, draw a circle, us, a ruler measuring the > diameter and a tape measure measuring the circumference on a stretchable > sheet. Stretch the sheet into a curve and you'll see that we, the > circle, the ruler and the tape measure have stretched. > > The ruler still measures the same length for the diameter, and the tape > measure still measures the same length for the circumference. If the > ratio was pi to being with, it'll still be pi. This is just plain wrong. Take a look at Hans Ohanian's excellent book *Gravitation and Spacetime*, in which he discusses at great length the problem of "measuring" changes in spacetime, when presumably your instruments are "changing" as well. You *do* notice the change. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Weiss | | | email: mkw21@cam.ac.uk | "Got my mojo working!" | | Darwin College | -- Muddy Waters | | Cambridge CB3 9EU | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: ff8cf,7d15a3c97705a5a5 X-Google-Attributes: gidff8cf,public X-Google-Thread: f44bc,7d15a3c97705a5a5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf44bc,public X-Google-Thread: 1038c2,7d15a3c97705a5a5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1038c2,public X-Google-Thread: f74ae,7d15a3c97705a5a5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf74ae,public X-Google-Thread: fa827,7d15a3c97705a5a5 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa827,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-03-21 20:52:19 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!blekul11!ccsdec1.ufsia.ac.be!reks.uia.ac.be!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be! Belgium.EU.net!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!apus.cus.cam.ac.uk!mkw21 From: Michael Weiss <mkw21@cus.cam.ac.uk> Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.skeptic,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,swnet.sci.astro,fj.sci.astro Subject: Re: pi (was Re: Is lightvelocity accelerating?) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:51:42 +0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 26 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950321224920.8486D-100000@apus.cus.cam.ac.uk> References: <3k1opb$6iq@utdallas.edu> <6Bmy2c2w200w@alcyone.darkside.com> <3kab8t$h4l@utdallas.edu> <hatunenD5pHyH.sE@netcom.com> <3kl17u$k1c@utdallas.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950321124232.1846F-100000@apus.cus.cam.ac.uk> <3knbf0$7r6@utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: apus.cus.cam.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3knbf0$7r6@utdallas.edu>