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>>>Nice to know that Hitler may have been a deeply spiritual man, in your
view :-)<<<

Hitler was a lot of things, and given what I know about his consultation of
witches, astgrology, superstitions, and dabbling with what he imagined to be
a revival of Aryan pagan spirituality I sincere believe that he was
"spiritual".  (IMHO) Not all spirituality is of equal "value" to me.

 >>>Do you look both ways before you cross the street? Do you count your
change?
Then you concede that reality is observable and has orderly patterns.<<<

Ah then... why is that?

>>>Which is cut away by Occam's Razor<<<

A lot of things are.     :-)

>>>I understand. You want us to choose strategies for living by whatever
feels
good.  This is why xenophobia is spiritual truth if we are biased that
way.<<<

I consider "feelings" to be one of several indicators for sound strategies
for living.  Other considerations such as tradition, reason, and (in my
case) the Bible might counter any extremist tendancies with appeal to
feelings alone could cause.  One needs balance.  Reason indicates that
Truth, Justice, Courage, and Wisdom are also important values, and these
values can moderate xenophobia.  The Bible teachs a unity of all humankind,
a common ancestor, and a God who loves all persons the same.  Also
moderating extreme xenophobia.

On the other hand perhaps "xenophobia" can be a helpful feeling it we use it
to guide us to other persons who are a part of our own social group... who
have similar interests, feelings, ideas and values.  It can lead us to
people whom we can trust and who feel warmly and helpful toward us, in
return.


>>>This makes perfect sense in terms of natural selection.  But it makes no
sense at all in terms of intelligent Design by a beneficent Transcendental
engineer.  Unless he is constrained to work by natural processes, that is.
In which case, * he* dies by Occam's Razor.<<<

Only if engineering for malaria were "His" only function.   I don't believe
that it is.  I view natural processes as the means by which the
Transcendental Engineer performs his daily work.  I don't believe that He is
necessarily 'constrained' by natural processes.  It's just His normal
operational methodology.

>>>A child dying of sickle cell anemia is automatically a spoiled brat?<<<

No.  What I am saying is that if I refuse to accept the reality that my
child is dying from sickle cell anemia, then I am being what could be termed
a "spoiled brat" in my relationship (or attitude toward) with the Author of
reality.

>>>. If we ever do find some evidence that the universe is an artifact, we
would have to rethink this. But it hasn't happened yet.<<<

Hummm... I guess that I view the entire thing as an artifact.  Everything
that we see, touch, feel, taste, and smell is evidence that the universe is
an "artifact".   Math is orderly, what more evidence do you need?

>>>> How did I inherit the responsibility to presenting "evidence" to you
anyway?  You made the claims.<<<

Oh, I see.  Fair enough.





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