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Article #188Re: Science Struggle
From: Alan McGowen
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:00
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:00
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Starbuck wrote: > >>>A circular argument. God exists because only he could explain how God > exists > given all the > problems with that idea.<<<< > > I didn't put that forward as a rational argument FOR theism, only as an > admission of the limitations of theism as a rational world view. > > Granted, it's a circular argument. > > But then, even scientific materialism can be used circularly. It begins > with the apriori assumption of the laws on uniformity, and lack of > supernatural intervention, and then argues itself back to the apriori > assumption that it began with. We all learn something along the way... but > it isn't an air-tight argument, just a useful one. > Sorry, but "laws of uniformity and lack of supernatural intervention" are *not* an a priori assumption of science. They can be disproved: e.g. if evidence mounts up that some nonuniformitarian process (such as an asteroid collision) has made a difference in geology and the history of life, then uniformitarian expectations have to give way. Likewise, if you could produce a similar body of hard evidence for supernatural intervention, atheistic expectations would have to give way. But you can't. You are still trying to evade the burdern of proof. -- Alan McGowen
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdefa,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdefa,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public X-Google-Thread: fd92c,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd92c,public X-Google-Thread: 10bcbe,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gid10bcbe,public From: Alan McGowen <amcgowen@cup.hp.com> Subject: Re: Science Struggle Date: 1999/09/24 Message-ID: <37EC079C.A8BA8F3E@cup.hp.com> X-Deja-AN: 529244101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7rrk1v$tr6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rsg3h$2rss$1@news.hal-pc.org> <4246475F4AE6D211808D006097A1716402F68B2A@aricrmntnews.dpi.qld.gov.au> <37E2C3E4.D161074E@cup.hp.com> <x4hvh99qdff.fsf@Steam.Stanford.EDU> <7s8gdp$2ti$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37E7DBBE.93DA9F42@cup.hp.com> <7s8u1j$t8g$7@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37E81F79.72A00D1D@cup.hp.com> <7sb3cq$hgq$13@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37E924A4.E0895FBC@cup.hp.com> <37E95DE2.ED4B9BF0@cup.hp.com> <7sdpj0$bjj$3@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37EA924D.8ECACDE@cup.hp.com> <7sgk6p$c54$3@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co. Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.bio.botany,bionet.biology.grasses,sci.environment,uk.environment