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Article #214Re: Science Struggle
From: Alan McGowen
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:00
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--------------74D3F2DC4BF6AC91DDD1B88C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Starbuck wrote: > >>>Citing the fact that "many persons are convinced" of these magical > things is an important data > point on human psychology, but not evidence of their reality. Many > people are also convinced > the government has extraterrestrials in pickle jars at Area 51 :-) > <<< So you are claiming that you have extensively searched Area 51, in > such detail that any pickle jar would not have been able to escape > your detection? :-) You don't seem to understand the basic rules of evidence and burden of proof. It's not incumbent on me to prove the negative. It's incumbent on those who assert the ETs are there to produce the evidence. E.g. suppose I said that the Vatican is a brothel, and it's up to you to search the Vatican, every last corner of it, to prove there are no prostitutes hidden there. That would never stand in a court -- I would be the one making the claim, it would be up to me to provide evidence for it. -- Alan McGowen --------------74D3F2DC4BF6AC91DDD1B88C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Starbuck wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>>>>Citing the fact that "many persons are convinced" of these magical things is an important data</font></font> <br><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>point on human psychology, but not evidence of their reality. Many people are also convinced</font></font> <br><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>the government has extraterrestrials in pickle jars at Area 51 :-) <<<</font></font> <font size=-1>So you are claiming that you have extensively searched Area 51, in such detail that any pickle jar would not have been able to escape your detection?</font> <font size=-1>:-)</font></blockquote> You don't seem to understand the basic rules of evidence and burden of proof. <br>It's not incumbent on me to prove the negative. It's incumbent on those who assert <br>the ETs are there to produce the evidence. <p>E.g. suppose I said that the Vatican is a brothel, and it's up to you to search the Vatican, every <br>last corner of it, to prove there are no prostitutes hidden there. That would never stand in a <br>court -- I would be the one making the claim, it would be up to me to provide evidence for <br>it. <pre>-- Alan McGowen </pre> </body> </html> --------------74D3F2DC4BF6AC91DDD1B88C--
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10bcbe,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gid10bcbe,public X-Google-Thread: fdefa,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdefa,public X-Google-Thread: fd92c,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd92c,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,7831a6255ad3ad65 X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public From: Alan McGowen <amcgowen@cup.hp.com> Subject: Re: Science Struggle Date: 1999/09/21 Message-ID: <37E8230A.4DD7F3AD@cup.hp.com> X-Deja-AN: 528044273 References: <7rrk1v$tr6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rsg3h$2rss$1@news.hal-pc.org> <4246475F4AE6D211808D006097A1716402F68B2A@aricrmntnews.dpi.qld.gov.au> <37E2C3E4.D161074E@cup.hp.com> <x4hvh99qdff.fsf@Steam.Stanford.EDU> <7s8gdp$2ti$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37E7DBBE.93DA9F42@cup.hp.com> <37E7F4C4.8E095656@cup.hp.com> <7s8u1n$t8g$8@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------74D3F2DC4BF6AC91DDD1B88C" Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co. Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.bio.botany,bionet.biology.grasses,sci.environment,uk.environment