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Article #51Re: how toxic is borax (to the garden, that is! Who cares about the people?)
From: jerry and judy
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:00
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:00
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In article <VA.000000c0.002bef7e@bigun>, rgw@office-futures.com wrote: >In article <7a6s4d$kq9$1@possum.melbpc.org.au>, Rd wrote: >> We have trouble with ants nesting all around the house, especially at >> the foot of walls and slabs [snip] > >I wonder if there is an ants' Usenet, where they discuss the problems of >trying to get rid of those pesky human newcomers, who build houses right in >the middle of nesting grounds and who keep trying to poison everyone? > >8-) > >Roger > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >Roger Whitehead, >14 Amy Road, Oxted, Surrey RH8 0PX, England >(Tel +44 (0)1883 713074; fax +44 (0)1883 716793) My thoughts exactly. Two nights ago, my wife was getting ready for bed and suddenly she called out to me, "Oooh! We have an ant problem!" This time of year, at our low latitude, ant colonies are already on the move to acquire the best new nesting sites, as much as is possible in the crowded, competitive ant world. A small nest was relocating from under the house through our bathroom. We ignored them and the next day I couldn't find a single straggler. What a mess we would have had if we had stomped them or even gassed them! When ants are migrating and not foraging, it's smarter to just let them pass. For millions of years humans lived in the dirt with ants, and all manner of bugs, most of which try very hard (and mostly succeed), in staying out of our way, but NOW we can't stand the sight of them!! And they remind us to try to dissolve away or cover up all the dirt and odors that we see and smell. Does this make logical sense?, even if household products are longterm safe to ingest and inhale? We submerge ourselves in a sea of unnatural chemicals and perfumes trying to ultimately stay healthy! after our immune systems have long ago successfully adapted to the prior, more natural conditions. There's no evidence that living with insects causes the degree of problems that we know the chemicals can cause. And afterall, even the cleanest looking household can't possibly be really clean in the scientific sense, it's just superficial appearances! We've all heard the stories of little old ladies asking experienced gardeners how to keep bees off their prize blooms. :) Some bugs are bad, most bugs look the same, ergo - all bugs should be eliminated! Ants are an integral part of the balance that should be all around us. We don't like some of the things they do, but they obviously help hold other insect populations down to within what has become 'normal' levels. I don't like to kill large numbers of bugs in the house because continually breathing the outgassings from their 'remains' probably poses more of a risk then their limited excursions do. The companies that sell products that kill household pests want you to overlook the fact that clumps of dead, decaying carcasses persist for months. Remember, it's not the insects or rodents that make us sick, it's the pathogens they carry. If you kill the hosts, the pathogens will multiply unchecked until they consume the carcass and then move on to the next food source. Aren't microbe populations increasing?, this seems to be to opposite effect of what we are seeking. Now, if it were possible to truly eradicate all bugs from the house, would this be advisable? We would probably have to release microbots to clean up the scraps of food and waste and skin cells etc. that humans can't help but leave around everywhere! Otherwise, levels of bacteria would increase markedly, and some strains under such conditions are much more nasty to people than the insect and spider vectors. In any case, the microbot solution would be expensive and maybe just as unhealthy. "Cleaning' and otherwise stirring up sediments has been linked to the appearance of 'unnatural' diseases against which most humans have an inadequate defense. It's a complex problem, but it seems that our immune systems have long had a good handle on natural circumstances, as long as we don't try for overkill! Jerry Half the biomass of insects passes through spiders and so, without spiders humans would have a harder time surviving on this planet.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a56c,a15a57788dbd751c X-Google-Attributes: gid10a56c,public X-Google-Thread: 10bcbe,a15a57788dbd751c X-Google-Attributes: gid10bcbe,public X-Google-Thread: 111148,a15a57788dbd751c X-Google-Attributes: gid111148,public From: jerbidoc@zianet.com (jerry and judy) Subject: Re: how toxic is borax (to the garden, that is! Who cares about the people?) Date: 1999/02/14 Message-ID: <jerbidoc-1402991355000001@lc373.zianet.com> X-Deja-AN: 444377913 References: <7a6s4d$kq9$1@possum.melbpc.org.au> <VA.000000c0.002bef7e@bigun> Organization: Southwest Cyberport Newsgroups: sci.bio.botany,aus.gardens,rec.gardens