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Article #84Re: "Pigeon pea". Why so named?
From: Malcolm Manners
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:34
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:34
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Phred wrote: > In article <6ket72dblga3cus6s3f4vdqtn6b2t4oo6b@4ax.com>, Torsten Brinch <iaotb@inet.uni2.dk> wrote: > >>On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:31:05 GMT, ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Phred) >>wrote: >> >> >>>G'day mates, >>> >>>A question arose today about pigeon pea (still _Cajanus cajan_ to >>>me; but the taxonomists say it's now in _Atylosia_). >>> >>>It was quite a simple question: "Why is pigeon pea called pigeon >>>pea?" [AKA "pigeonpea".] >>> >>>I have to say, I'm damned if I know why! It's been pigeon pea to me >>>since I first met it 40 years ago, and I've never wondered why. >>> >>>According to <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pigeon+pea> it's simply >>>"From the use of its seeds as pigeon feed." >>> >>>While that may well be true, it almost sounds *too* simplistic. After >>>all, the main use is for human food (red gram, toor dal, etc.) >>>especially in India. >>> >>>So where and why has it become associated with bloody pigeons? >> >>I have no idea. Pass. >> >> >>>(An analogous question arises for "chickpea".) >> >>'Chick-pea' comes from French 'pois chiche'. It was originally >>imported into English as the singular form 'chich-pease', >>but the pommie ear naturally came to hear such a construction as >>a plural form, so from it was synthesised the singular form >>chich-pea. In the origin the French name 'pois chiche' has nothing >>to do with chicken. 'Chiche' is from Latin 'cicer', which means ... >>pea :-) > > > Thanks for that, Torsten. I wonder if, in years to come, we could > have the progression: pea pea --> pee pee --> wee wee? ;-) > > Cheers, Phred. > In central Florida, we have the Peace River, and one might think it was named at the end of a war. However, the more likely story is that there is a native Vicia that grows on its banks, and it was therefore originally the Peas River.
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