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I don't think this will be successful unless you are high enough in the
Himalayas or other mountains to experience cool temperatures and frost. The
Giant Sequoia is native to high mountain areas in California that experience
snow every year, and while it may not need the snow, because it grows
successfully in Seattle and Portland where snow seldom falls, it will surely
need the cool weather in winter.
"ttq987" <ttq987@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> giganteum" or similar species in India....
>
> is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
>
> any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

http://www.floridata.com/ref/S/sequ_gig.cfm

Habitat: The Giant Sequoias originated from central California where
they grow between elevations of 5000-8000ft. 

http://www.orst.edu/instruct/for241/con/giseqgen.html

http://bss.sfsu.edu/geog/bholzman/courses/Fall00Projects/Sequoia.html
(Great data)

http://gardenbed.com/s/3656.cfm

ttq987 wrote:
> 
> would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> giganteum" or similar species in India....
> 
> is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> 
> any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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I have some seeds, but as if they'll grow over there, I'd say only up in the
northen areas and higher up as they need the cold of winter, they need rich soil
too and it takes a long time to grow, we have ones that are 200+ years old.


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"ttq987" <ttq987@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> giganteum" or similar species in India....
>
> is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
>
> any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

I'd suggest using plugs rather than seed.  They would be pretty easy to find
on the net.


"ttq987" <ttq987@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com...
> would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> giganteum" or similar species in India....
>
> is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
>
> any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

An excellent source for ecological and management information can be 
found at:

   
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
giganteum.htm

Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows 
natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to 
excellent site conditions.

The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range 
appears to be Botryosphaeria sp. 

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds 
and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.

   http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp


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In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
 ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:

> would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> giganteum" or similar species in India....
> 
> is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> 
> any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

thanks to all for help & suggestions

am planning to go ahead & give it a shot ... although it does not get
very cold near bombay... & has very slim chances of growing

most sources seem to be good, but the link that clear cut has posted
seems to be quite a reliable source for getting seeds
http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp

Polar, I may not be around when & if this tree ever grows fully.. but
will feel good even if it starts growing .... :)


Clear Cut <clearcut@excite.com> wrote in message news:<clearcut-1BEE14.10121010122002@shiva.direcpc.com>...
> An excellent source for ecological and management information can be 
> found at:
> 
>    
> http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
> giganteum.htm
> 
> Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows 
> natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to 
> excellent site conditions.
> 
> The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range 
> appears to be Botryosphaeria sp. 
> 
> The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds 
> and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.
> 
>    http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> 
> 
> ==-=-==
> Note due to extreme filtering, put the word NOSPAM in the Subject of an 
> email if you would like me respond personally
> 
>                            clearcut@excite.com
> ==-=-==
> 
> In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
>  ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:
> 
> > would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> > giganteum" or similar species in India....
> > 
> > is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> > 
> > any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

In article <3fb94ad1.0212110524.110871b1@posting.google.com>,
ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) writes:
|> thanks to all for help & suggestions
|> 
|> am planning to go ahead & give it a shot ... although it does not get
|> very cold near bombay... & has very slim chances of growing
|> 
|> most sources seem to be good, but the link that clear cut has posted
|> seems to be quite a reliable source for getting seeds
|> http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
|> 
|> Polar, I may not be around when & if this tree ever grows fully.. but
|> will feel good even if it starts growing .... :)

It apparently isn't too hard to grow from seed, but it MUST be
planted in a soil-based compost.  The reason that the trees need
fire is to clear the needle debris so that the seeds can
germinate.  I think that they can get though only a fraction of
an inch before they must reach soil.

There are a fair number in the UK, but it is really a bit cold
and wet for them - note that this means summer, not winter.
My guess is that it might survive once it gets established, but
the problem will be doing that.


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Could they flourish in lower Manhattan?  I'd love to see a couple 
planted at the WTC site as a living memorial. 


Clear Cut wrote:
> 
> An excellent source for ecological and management information can be
> found at:
> 
> 
> http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
> giganteum.htm
> 
> Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows
> natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to
> excellent site conditions.
> 
> The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range
> appears to be Botryosphaeria sp.
> 
> The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds
> and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.
> 
>    http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> 
> ==-=-==
> Note due to extreme filtering, put the word NOSPAM in the Subject of an
> email if you would like me respond personally
> 
>                            clearcut@excite.com
> ==-=-==
> 
> In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
>  ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:
> 
> > would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> > giganteum" or similar species in India....
> >
> > is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> >
> > any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Flourish might be a 'generous' word - but they "might"  survive. Actually,
somewhere in the east,  perhaps at the Arnold Arboretum in Boston, they
actually have been able to make the Sequoia's close cousin, the Redwood
grow. And that climate is nothing like the foggy California coast.
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, MD, PA" <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
news:3DF7B8D3.22E4@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
> Could they flourish in lower Manhattan?  I'd love to see a couple
> planted at the WTC site as a living memorial.
>
>
> Clear Cut wrote:
> >
> > An excellent source for ecological and management information can be
> > found at:
> >
> >
> >
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
> > giganteum.htm
> >
> > Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows
> > natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to
> > excellent site conditions.
> >
> > The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range
> > appears to be Botryosphaeria sp.
> >
> > The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds
> > and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.
> >
> >    http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> >
> > ==-=-==
> > Note due to extreme filtering, put the word NOSPAM in the Subject of an
> > email if you would like me respond personally
> >
> >                            clearcut@excite.com
> > ==-=-==
> >
> > In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
> >  ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:
> >
> > > would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> > > giganteum" or similar species in India....
> > >
> > > is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> > >
> > > any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

begin  reply "gregpresley" <gpresley@iea.com> wrote:

>Flourish might be a 'generous' word - but they "might"  survive. Actually,
>somewhere in the east,  perhaps at the Arnold Arboretum in Boston, they
>actually have been able to make the Sequoia's close cousin, the Redwood
>grow. And that climate is nothing like the foggy California coast.

There is a redwood or sequoia (I forget which) growing in a
really old part of Norfolk VA.  It was brought back by a ship's
captain as a seedling in the late 1800s and is a most impressive
specimen.  Botany students make pilgrimages there. 


Tsu Dho Nimh

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That seems to be the nature of everyone who goes somewhere and sees
something growing that is spectacular. ie. To try growing it back home. Go
for it. I undestand they succesfully started some in Scotland several years
ago. Whether they still survive, I don't know.


"ttq987" <ttq987@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fb94ad1.0212110524.110871b1@posting.google.com...
> thanks to all for help & suggestions
>
> am planning to go ahead & give it a shot ... although it does not get
> very cold near bombay... & has very slim chances of growing
>
> most sources seem to be good, but the link that clear cut has posted
> seems to be quite a reliable source for getting seeds
> http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
>
> Polar, I may not be around when & if this tree ever grows fully.. but
> will feel good even if it starts growing .... :)
>
>
> Clear Cut <clearcut@excite.com> wrote in message
news:<clearcut-1BEE14.10121010122002@shiva.direcpc.com>...
> > An excellent source for ecological and management information can be
> > found at:
> >
> >
> >
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
> > giganteum.htm
> >
> > Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows
> > natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to
> > excellent site conditions.
> >
> > The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range
> > appears to be Botryosphaeria sp.
> >
> > The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds
> > and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.
> >
> >    http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> >
> >
> > ==-=-==
> > Note due to extreme filtering, put the word NOSPAM in the Subject of an
> > email if you would like me respond personally
> >
> >                            clearcut@excite.com
> > ==-=-==
> >
> > In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
> >  ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:
> >
> > > would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> > > giganteum" or similar species in India....
> > >
> > > is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> > >
> > > any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

James wrote:

> That seems to be the nature of everyone who goes somewhere and sees
> something growing that is spectacular. ie. To try growing it back home. Go
> for it. I undestand they succesfully started some in Scotland several years
> ago. Whether they still survive, I don't know.

If by several years, you mean 1853, then yes, they can be grown successfully in
Scotland :-)) There are MANY giant sequoias in Scotland and elsewhere in the
British Isles, including some very large specimens  - like one that is 150' tall
with a trunk circumference of 36 feet. They also grow successfully in most parts
of northern Europe as well as the more temperate portions of eastern Europe. It
is estimated there are about 10,000 etablished and mature giant sequoias in
Europe including one that is at the most northerly recorded latitude for the
species at Songe Fjord in Norway that was planted in the 1880's. There also
giant sequoias located in Spain (two very large specimens), Turkey, Lebanon,
Egypt, Israel, Japan, South America, and Austrialia and New Zealand, where they
thrive.

With this diversity of locations, questions have been raised about the
limitation of its native range and habitat. Apparently outside of its native
Sierra Nevada, the giant sequoia is unable to re-seed itself by natural means.

I'd second the idea to go for it - in warmer climates the secret for its
successful establishment appears to be regular and frequent watering.

pam - gardengal


>
>
> "ttq987" <ttq987@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fb94ad1.0212110524.110871b1@posting.google.com...
> > thanks to all for help & suggestions
> >
> > am planning to go ahead & give it a shot ... although it does not get
> > very cold near bombay... & has very slim chances of growing
> >
> > most sources seem to be good, but the link that clear cut has posted
> > seems to be quite a reliable source for getting seeds
> > http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> >
> > Polar, I may not be around when & if this tree ever grows fully.. but
> > will feel good even if it starts growing .... :)
> >
> >
> > Clear Cut <clearcut@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:<clearcut-1BEE14.10121010122002@shiva.direcpc.com>...
> > > An excellent source for ecological and management information can be
> > > found at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/sequoiadendron/
> > > giganteum.htm
> > >
> > > Compare your growing site to the conditions where giant sequoia grows
> > > natively.  They like water, they like nutrients - in other word good to
> > > excellent site conditions.
> > >
> > > The most serious disease when planted outside of their native range
> > > appears to be Botryosphaeria sp.
> > >
> > > The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection collects seeds
> > > and grows seedlings.  They may sell seeds or direct you to a source.
> > >
> > >    http://www.fire.ca.gov/ResourceManagement/StateNurseries.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > ==-=-==
> > > Note due to extreme filtering, put the word NOSPAM in the Subject of an
> > > email if you would like me respond personally
> > >
> > >                            clearcut@excite.com
> > > ==-=-==
> > >
> > > In article <3fb94ad1.0212082327.7ff1a4ff@posting.google.com>,
> > >  ttq987@yahoo.co.uk (ttq987) wrote:
> > >
> > > > would like to grow a full fledged tall "GIANT SEQUOIA- Sequoiadendron
> > > > giganteum" or similar species in India....
> > > >
> > > > is it possible & how do I acquire seeds etc for the same
> > > >
> > > > any help & suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Pam wrote:
> With this diversity of locations, questions have been raised about the
> limitation of its native range and habitat. Apparently outside of its
> native Sierra Nevada, the giant sequoia is unable to re-seed itself
> by natural means.

From http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/tree/seqgig/fire_effects.html
This might be part of the problem.

FIRE EFFECTS

SPECIES: Sequoiadendron giganteum


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----




IMMEDIATE FIRE EFFECT ON PLANT :
In Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks, a moderate-severity
prescribed fire contributed little to the mortality of giant sequoia
that were larger than 1 foot (0.30 m) d.b.h.  Additionally, there is no
evidence that previous fire scarring had any relationship to tree
mortality [5].  Low- to moderate-severity fires scorch the bark of giant
sequoia and usually cause scarring.  High-severity fires may reach the
crown and consume part or all of the canopy cover [2].  A direct
relationship exists between the size of the basal fire scar in mature
giant sequoias and the the likelihood of damage to the top or foliage of
the trees [23].  Reduction of supporting wood from scarring predisposes
the tree to falling, and provides an opening for fungi responsible for
root disease and heart rot [28].


DISCUSSION AND QUALIFICATION OF FIRE EFFECT :
Despite the general belief that giant sequoia wood is not especially
flammable, it burns hotly when splintered and dry [10].


PLANT RESPONSE TO FIRE :
High-severity fires will generally kill pole-size and younger trees.
Immediately following the passage of fire, seeds will drop as a reaction
to hot convectional air movement through the canopy.  Seeds will
germinate on the favorable mineral seedbeds created by the fire [5].

Postfire seedling establishment:  When high-severity fires burn in dense
stands of mature giant sequoias, as many as 40,485 seedlings per acre
(100,000/ha) may develop following heat-induced seedfall [11].  After a
prescribed burn in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks, a
high-severity burn resulted in 40,000 seedlings per acre (98,800/ha) the
first year after burning.  A lower-severity burn resulted in 13,000
seedlings per acre (32,110/ha).  Not a single giant sequoia seedling was
found on the unburned control plot in this study [5].

--
Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5
Has 2 very small Sequoiadendron giganteum in his yard.

Pam <grdngal48@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3DF94EAD.552AF378@attbi.com>...
> James wrote:
> 
> > That seems to be the nature of everyone who goes somewhere and sees
> > something growing that is spectacular. ie. To try growing it back home. Go
> > for it. I undestand they succesfully started some in Scotland several years
> > ago. Whether they still survive, I don't know.
> 
> If by several years, you mean 1853, then yes, they can be grown successfully in
> Scotland :-)) There are MANY giant sequoias in Scotland and elsewhere in the
> British Isles, including some very large specimens  - like one that is 150' tall
> with a trunk circumference of 36 feet. They also grow successfully in most parts
> of northern Europe as well as the more temperate portions of eastern Europe. It
> is estimated there are about 10,000 etablished and mature giant sequoias in
> Europe including one that is at the most northerly recorded latitude for the
> species at Songe Fjord in Norway that was planted in the 1880's. There also
> giant sequoias located in Spain (two very large specimens), Turkey, Lebanon,
> Egypt, Israel, Japan, South America, and Austrialia and New Zealand, where they
> thrive.
> 
> With this diversity of locations, questions have been raised about the
> limitation of its native range and habitat. Apparently outside of its native
> Sierra Nevada, the giant sequoia is unable to re-seed itself by natural means.
> 
> I'd second the idea to go for it - in warmer climates the secret for its
> successful establishment appears to be regular and frequent watering.
> 
> pam - gardengal
> 
> 
 Excellent post! I understand that the biggest tree in Europe is a
Giant Sequoia. I second the idea that GS can grow in a multitude of
places. For decades, with liberal watering, the trees can retain that
classic Xmas tree shape, however, when they get older, their tops die
and they get pretty scraggly looking.

Larry

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:01:03 GMT, Pam <grdngal48@attbi.com> wrote:

(snip)
>With this diversity of locations, questions have been raised about the
>limitation of its native range and habitat. Apparently outside of its native
>Sierra Nevada, the giant sequoia is unable to re-seed itself by natural means.
>
>I'd second the idea to go for it - in warmer climates the secret for its
>successful establishment appears to be regular and frequent watering.
>
>pam - gardengal
>
>
Do they sprout from roots.  I have one at my parents place in Oregon,
it's about 40 years old, and it has a youngster about 12 feet away
which is now about 6 feet tall.  Either from a seed or a root pup?


_

- Charles
- 
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