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<big_george_lake@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>A friend fed his dogs some raw hamburger meat
> that had been in the refrigerator for over a month.
> All died within 10 hours.  We wish to know a guess
> of what specific species (or family) of bacteria might
> cause such toxic reactions.
> Thank you for your ideas!
> BGL
>

Your (cough) freind doesnt deserve the time of day. He sounds far toO 
irresponsabile about animal wellfare and should not be allowed  look after 
pets  or stock. In his/her charge  animmals needlessly died.  Aslo I wouldnt 
like to eat at your freinds house the cool bocXmust be a like a cess pit. 
Yuk.

My best advise is report your freind  to animal welfare and dont eat at 
his/her house :)

n10

in article 1114392480.737635.147940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
big_george_lake@yahoo.com at big_george_lake@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 9:28
PM:

> A friend fed his dogs some raw hamburger meat
> that had been in the refrigerator for over a month.
> All died within 10 hours.  We wish to know a guess
> of what specific species (or family) of bacteria might
> cause such toxic reactions.
> Thank you for your ideas!
> BGL
> 
The possibilities are too numerous to try to guess. Ground meat should
always be considered contaminated because of the way it is processed. It is
a great breeding place for all kinds of bacteria especially the ones found
in the gut.

Without cultures taken on the dogs and on the meat it is impossible to give
an answer. Your friend may be guilty of animal cruelty or neglect for
feeding spoiled meat to the dogs. I hope he doesn't feed that stuff to his
human guests!

-- 
John Gentile                            Editor,  Rhode Island Apple Group
yjgent@cox.net                      RIAG Web page:  www.wbwip.com/riag/
"I never make mistakes, I only have unexpected learning opportunities!"

There are so many possibilities....... Knowing which one will do you no
good now.

E. coli, Salmonella, Campylobacter, Shigella, Norovirus, Listeria

I think no bacterium killed your friend's dog, but himself. First it
is surprising that your dude gave this to his pets. Secondly, dogs
have a more acidic stomach than us, they can eat almost everykind of
putrified things, especially meat. Third, they died in 10 hours, which
is quite quick. I think your friend poisoned his dogs, maybe because
they started to have an important place in the government. But beside
that...Let me know...... Your friend is communist, isn't he? I knew
that!
The other solution is a toxin producing bacterium, which I doubt.
Unbury the dogs, put a piece of stomach and intestine on carbonic ice
and amplify directly 16S rRNA. It's giving good results and you might
find a serial dog killer.

big_george_lake@yahoo.com wrote:
> A friend fed his dogs some raw hamburger meat
> that had been in the refrigerator for over a month.
> All died within 10 hours.  We wish to know a guess
> of what specific species (or family) of bacteria might
> cause such toxic reactions.
> Thank you for your ideas!
> BGL

Carnivores are relatively resistant to enteric pathogens (prey meat in 
nature is rarely refrigerated) so "over a month", while probably unfit 
for human consumption, is not necessarily toxic to the dog. Symptoms 
could provide a clue but botulism comes to mind (flacid paralysis). 
Although Listeria is one of the few bacteria that will grow at 4 degrees 
Celsius, canine infections are, as much as I know, extremely rare and 
certainly not lethal.