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In article <106264@netnews.upenn.edu>,
rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe) writes:

>In article <C18q4v.507@iat.holonet.net> ken@iat.holonet.net  
>     (Ken Easlon) writes: 

>>In any event, I think Mickey and I agree that the sense of "down" in
>>dreams is imaginary.  This would be consistent with my explanation of
>>Ginzberg's falling sensation as being the normal sleep-time loss of
>>gravity perception at a time before sleep has fully arrived. 
 
>It's also consistent with you losing your major source of information 
>about which direction is down when you fall asleep.  As you lose your 
>somatosensory perception you feel as if the bed, floor, chair, 
>whatever, is dropping out from under you.  That's more in line with 
>what *I* experience when I get a falling sensation when I'm on the 
>edge of sleep. 

Sounds like agreement to me.  

I was awakened from REM sleep last night and recall dreaming that I was
crawling around looking for something.   The dream body position was
consistent with my actual body position, almost fetal.  Before my thumb
starts making a bee line for my mouth I'm going to declare victory and bail
from this interminable debate.

Too bad, I didn't really get into my theory of dream imagery having a large
visual sensory component, with REM being a way of providing an enriched
Rorschach input for the formation of dynamic dream scenes.  

Then there's the idea that if the image only makes sense if it were a scene
viewed with the head at a weird angle (like looking up at a bridge), we
simply imagine ourselves looking up at the bridge.  This puts me an Mickey
in agreement about dream body and actual body having little relationship
some of the time, but I still say they are firmly connected at the head.

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Ken Easlon
ken@holonet.net