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Started by Joshua Blacksher
Thu, 07 Oct 1993 13:09
A Question
Author: Joshua Blacksher
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 13:09
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 13:09
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Walking thru the park on my way to work today a question came to mind. how much land would it take (square miles whatever) for a forest, complete with animal life (up to and includeing large preditors) to be self sustaining? i do not typicly follow this new group, so email replies would be appreciated in its not too much trouble. -thanks -- joshua "Does Spelling Count?" Blacksher
Re: A Question
Author: William S Currie
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 17:23
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 17:23
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In article <1993Oct07.130921.11915@rchland.ibm.com> joshuab@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Joshua Blacksher) writes: >Walking thru the park on my way to work today a question came to mind. >how much land would it take (square miles whatever) for a forest, >complete with animal life (up to and includeing large preditors) >to be self sustaining? No forest is self-sustaining, in the sense that materials are cycled only within the system. Predators depend on herbivores, and herbivores depend on plants that can photosynthesize. The carbon fixed in photosynthesis comes from the atmosphere. To think of a forest as a closed system materially, you'd have to include the atmosphere. Perhaps a small chunk of the atmosphere could suffice in theory . . . but in practice, C atoms fixed in phototsynthesis by plants in a forest come from around the globe, linking the forest to the global C cycle. This is true to varying degrees for nutrients the forest requires, too. To think of the forest as self-sustaining in terms of energetics requires an even larger system. The energy fixed in photosynthesis, passed to herbivores and then to predators, comes from 93 million miles away. This is not meant to obfuscate; mereley to make the point that such a question needs to be more precisely posed (I understand that Josh is not an ecologist, and this is a fine question coming from a non-ecologist). If we're concerned about the land necessary to sustain a predator population, then that's a population or community ecology question, not an ecosystems (or 'forest') question unless the cycles of nutrients on which the plant community depends is considered . . . which means going outside the forest and looking at larger systems. -- William S. Currie / Complex Systems / Institute For the Study of Earth, ~~ ~/\^/\__/\~~ Oceans and Space / University of New Hampshire ~~/\^/\~ ======================================================================= "There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians." -- Mark Twain
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