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Article #1853Re: Nuclear power far from clean
From: Kym Horsell
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:00
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:00
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In article <61cgjv$fh0@crl.crl.com>, Paul W. Cashman <vanyel@crl.crl.com> wrote: >kym@faraday.ee.latrobe.edu.au (Kym Horsell) writes: >>Do the "maths" yourself -- something smells when you use naive arguments >>of the form "X is impossible (because of my long list of unstated >>and presumably -- in the light of (a) the ``conclusion'' >>and the ``facts'' that (b) I'm trying to draw one in the first >>place, and (c) trying to convince others that I have done so >>and that both it and the technique are valid -- incorrect assumptions)". > >Moreover, the amount of land area required to mount solar cells to >equal a typical coal or nuclear (or pumped-storage or....) power plant >isn't measured in acres, but in SQUARE MILES! --Dozens of square >miles, in fact. Funny; I don't see environmentalists screaming about >the resulting damage to regional arcologies from such a vast project. >Wonder why, forsooth? This argument also won't wash (and is actually of the same general form). If "amount of land that's used" was an over-riding factor, freeways would be banned. Other factors to consider -- why "land"? There's lots of ocean, for example. In any case -- thinking in terms of what you _know now_ (either in terms of "basic science" or "basic economics") is not a proven way to anticipate or attempt to "refute" a given technology. ;-) It would seem exactly the opposite. At one time people well-versed in "basic science" were proving things any modern school child are silly -- i.e. humans can't survive in an open automobile travelling faster than (say) 100 mph; the sound barrier will never be broken (a topical one); human-powered flight is impossible (hey -- we haven't done it for 2000 years -- it will NEVER be done, and I can prove it MATHEMATICALLY anyway ;-) etc. Floating around somewhere in cyber space you'll find a neat NY Times editorial about the impossibility of space flight. Seems the editors -- using what they understood from high school science -- took objection to some con-artist named "Goddard" who was running around the country trying to raise money to get his obviously-will-never-work- and-we-can-PROVE-it liquid-fuelled rockets into space. As the editor pointed out -- there was no air in space and this was "well know" to be a requirement of propulsion systems.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10e1e4,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e1e4,public X-Google-Thread: f4886,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4886,public X-Google-Thread: 10e4c9,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e4c9,public X-Google-Thread: 10b271,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,public X-Google-Thread: 112f74,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid112f74,public X-Google-Thread: 103407,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid103407,public X-Google-Thread: 1083c4,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid1083c4,public X-Google-Thread: 1038c2,931b96b462da1f38 X-Google-Attributes: gid1038c2,public From: kym@faraday.ee.latrobe.edu.au (Kym Horsell) Subject: Re: Nuclear power far from clean Date: 1997/10/19 Message-ID: <62d4qn$4p3$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> X-Deja-AN: 281780266 References: <3421DF24.C26B8564@compact.com> <604fsn$g6d$1@clarion.carno.net.au> <61avgh$qks$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> <61cgjv$fh0@crl.crl.com> Organization: School of Electronic Engineering, La Trobe University Newsgroups: sci.chem,sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,ab.general,atl.general,aus.education,aus.electronics,aus.general,ba.general,bc.general,ca.general,can.general,carleton.general,chi.general,co.general