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Article #2542Re: d,l system vs. R,S system
From: Uncle Al
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:51
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:51
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ib.mossin@hotmail.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any sense in using the d,l system instead of the R,S system > nowadays. The former seems a bit outdated. There are systems in which R,S fails. M,P for helicies, /_\,/\ for octahedral complexes. Geometrically undistorted point group T, O, and I chiral systems (chiral by "color") simply cannot be named. 1) Consider two geometrically congruent regular tetrahedra whose mirror-image vertices host four different colors. Unnameable as to left and right but inarguably non-superposable. 2) Consider an undistorted tetrahedral carbon bonded to four identical asymmetric centers, CSSSS and CRRRR, point group T (not Td or Th). How do you assign configuration to that carbon? Remove all wiggle room by connecting all four substituents into a rigid skeleton, [6.6]chiralane, http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/chiralan.htm CSSSR and CRRRS are a similar problem. The most entertaining explanation I've heard is that the central carbon atom is NOT asymmetric. It is coincident with an asymmetric center. Kewl. Assign configuration to that center. Put three homochiral tartrates (or tartrate acetonides) about an octahedral cobalt and calculate mm+ energy for mirror image octahedra in both configurations. R-centers tend to give most stable M helices and /\ coordination. Except when they don't. Try to assign syndiotactic polypropylene as you attempt to identify asymmetric carbons by expanding a sphere about a candidate tertiary carbon. The H and CH3 are obvious. What makes the other two substituents *locally* non-equivalent? Now assign CIP R,S. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz3.pdf
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