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Article #336Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
From: Michael Zeleny
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:41
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:41
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In article <erwin.722217539@trwacs> erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes: >Unfortunately, the brain doesn't operate that way. Two statements are >considered equivalent if their processing generates the same activation in >the cerebral cortex (or a subset thereof). Since cortical activation is an >analog process, distributed over multiple layers, and reflecting nonlinear >dynamics at all scales, from the synaptic switching in the dendritic arbor >on up, defining equivalence becomes somewhat problematical. I discern several brazen counterfactual assumptions: (i) that mind states supervene on brain states; (ii) that understanding is a function of brain-state tokens; (iii) that physicalism allows a reduction of semantic primitives. That "two statements are considered equivalent if their processing generates the same activation in the cerebral cortex (or a subset thereof)" is a social fact about your discipline, that says absolutely nothing about the kind of equivalence involved. In fact, identity or similarity of activation patterns is a syntactic criterion by any reasonable definition of syntax; likewise for the frivolous attribution of synonymy as determined by similarity or identity of activations of the frontal cortex. Concerning your appeal elsewhere to the bizarre notion of semantic grounding, as I told you in email, my inability to conceive of any coherent theory thereof prevents me from imagining any way to demonstrate it in primitive mammals, in the same way I would believe you unable to demonstrate the holy nature of a self-professed Himalayan yogi via lab measurements. Physicalism depends on reducing semantics to physical primitives, or on eliminating it altogether. The former is logically impossible, as there is no way to partition the causal structure of the physical universe, so as to obtain the requisite "intentional stance". In other words, there is no coherent way to systematically differentiate the physicalist universe into subject and object, as required for the representational model which by definition underlies all extant conceptions of semantics. "Grounding" is just a special case of this situation. Reductionism is the sole viable physicalist alternative; at this time I have no interest in discussing its alleged merits. Until you learn how to address this point, instead of repeating _ad nauseam_ the same received ideas, I see absolutely no reason to continue this exchange. End of this discourse. >Cheers, > >-- >Harry Erwin >Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com > cordially, mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc10.harvard.edu!zeleny From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.lang Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym Message-ID: <1992Nov20.224137.17653@husc3.harvard.edu> Date: 21 Nov 92 03:41:36 GMT Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov20.224137.17653 References: <1992Nov16.000040.19912@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov16.120727.17500@husc3.harvard.edu> <erwin.722217539@trwacs> Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu