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Article #348Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
From: Richard Caley
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:13
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:13
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In article <1992Nov20.111124.17630@husc3.harvard.edu>, Michael Zeleny (mz) writes: mz> I see no reason to suppose that the salient contextual features are mz> unique and irreproducible, in the sense you seem to suggest. One of them is the person hearing/reading the phrase. You can't rewind people to an earlier state and giving them two phrases at once is pointless unless you are one of the more sadistic variety of psycho-linguist :-). There, I suspect, is the core of the difference between you and, so far as I can see, everyone else on this thread. You seem to want to divorce `language' from its human context. If you do that hard enough, then indeed you _do_ get a formal language, however you also end up with something which is of no interest to anyone except formal language theorists, since you have no way of showing that any facts you might determine about your formalised language have any relevance to real language as she is spoke. You're just repeating all of the mistakes of the people who tried to deduce rules for English from an idealised Latin grammar, you haven't shown that you have a meaningful inverse transformation. -- rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk _O_ |<
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!pipex!warwick!uknet!edcastle!edcogsci!cogsci!rjc From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.lang Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym Message-ID: <RJC.92Nov23111346@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Date: 23 Nov 92 11:13:46 GMT References: <1992Nov17.092016.28202@news.unige.ch> <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu> <RJC.92Nov19162241@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <1992Nov20.111124.17630@husc3.harvard.edu> Sender: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk Organization: Human Communication Research Center Lines: 25 In-reply-to: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 20 Nov 92 16:11:21 GMT