Re: Language versus concept

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From: Peter T. Daniels
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:32

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On Sep 6, 5:13 pm, DKleinecke <dkleine...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 1:35 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 6, 2:51 pm, "Glen M. Sizemore" <gmsizemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in
> > > > Since language is "the social art," the study of the use of language
> > > > in society is a rather important part of the study of language.
>
> > > Yeah, but it is largely orthogonal to the behavior of individuals. Not
> > > irrelevant - just orthogonal.
>
> > Exactly.
>
> > You're not interested in the purpose and function of language (viz.,
> > solidarity and communication), so you can offer little insight into
> > language.
>
> I snipped the rest because this seems to be an excellent little
> summary of the problem. Unless I misunderstand the current behaviorist
> position (which I believe Skinner did not share) the individual is
> assumed to be a solipsistic (or very nearly one) entity impinged upon
> by a host of stimulii and attempting to respond. There seems to be no
> room here for concepts like culture and community.
>
> I read Skinner years ago and I thought he might have something to
> contribute to linguistics although most of the behavior he considered
> was far more primitive than speech. For example, what happens when a
> person realizes that, in their understanding of a sentence, they have
> been led down a garden path?

What do you think of Chomskysreviewofskinnersverbalbehavior? Does the
"refutation" by the person with a Q in his name hold any water?

> Unless they can broaden their outlook I fear the behaviorist are going
> remain a quaint survival from the 1950's.

Yet in the late 1990s I was editing behavioral psychology chapters for
Academic Press. (I wish I had copies of those books! And it was all
done on paper in those days, so I don't even have files of them.)

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