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Re: Language versus concept

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From: Glen M. Sizemore
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:04
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"Doug Morse" <morse@edoug.org> wrote in message 
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> What is the difference between language and concept, or are they the
> same thing?

What is "language"? This is not a rhetorical question.

>Does language build on a conceptual system?

Mainstream (lame) philosophy and psychology would, I think, say "yes." I 
would not.

>Or perhaps
> concepts emerge from or are a byproduct of linguistic representation
> and processing?

What is "linguistic representaion"? What is "processing"?

>Most of all, what is a good definition of "concept"
> or "conceptual representation and processing", especially from a
> psychological, neuroscience, and linguistic point of view?  I find
> that these research areas routinely invoke the notion of concepts and
> conceptual processing, but a decent definition of them -- let alone a
> solid one -- seems terribly elusive.  So, thoughts and sources on this
> would be great to hear about.

The notion of "concept" is generally invoked when the stimuli controlling 
behavior cannot be divided into cut-and-dried categories, and where an 
animal or person responds in a particular way to stimuli it has never seen 
before but which nevertheless are called "X" by people. So, when a person is 
shown a picture of, say, a tree, that the person has never seen before, we 
say "They have  concept of tree." This is simply a description of behavior. 
How do you "give someone (or animal) a "concept of tree"?




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