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On 10 Mar, 13:30, "CB" <caldwell.brob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'll just stick to the art stuff & leave the rest for others - but the idea
>wasn't to draw upside down, but to take a photo of some one, turn that
>upside down, and draw from that.. The reason it works is that the upside
>down photo is then usually perceived in a much more abstract way, and the
>drawer (I hesitate to use the word artist here) is simply studying the
>relationships between features in the photo, and not going through the more
>complex process of mediating external perception with internal
>representation.

Drawing what you see, not what you think the drawing should
look like, kinda thing?! The drawings I saw were like a leap
from a painting by numbers to a Klee or Sheile in 2 lessons :)
...I happen to like their draughtsmanship.   Who was that artist
who said something like 'if you spent 10 years being taught how
to draw, you spend another 25 or 30 trying to unlearn to draw
properly again'?

>The results aren't all that impressive, but they usually do give hope to
>folks who believe that a) they can't draw a face, b) drawing is simply a
>matter of hand-eye coordination,  and c) the way a face should look when
>drawn should be translatable back to photographic representation.. The end
>result (following her program) at best comes seems to be results like the
>profile used to decorate the front of the book - stiff, awkward, unnuanced,
>flat as a pancake.. And considering it's a profile - the simplest of all
>representations of the head, that's not saying much...

>Cheers;
>Chris

Art appreciation and aspiration seems like a lot of things.
I really like music, but sometimes I hear something fantastic
and very rare which is out of my usual range. I often see
something in a painting that eludes my ability to describe
it and will sometimes make me want to explore it fully, its
usually a technique, a new skill,tho compositional arrangements
are different, a new life experience will give new insights.
Like when you reread a book after many years. I don't discuss
art much now and it took years out of my life.

I was looking up language and gestural communications and Googled
up the Savanna theory, which appears in sci.Anthropology, and
a discussion about the beginnings of language. There wasn't much
about gestures, but I've got to read through a hell of a lot!

The Nowak & Krakauer (1999) list;
http://www.isrl.uiuc.edu/~amag/langev/cited/nowak99theEvolution.html

Then theres a kinda leap there I assume through socialisation,
to culturalised gestures and the spoken word.

Is behaviour an outward expression of internal thought processes
soey dependent upon the learned social skills such as languages?
If you think concurrently with your actions, will the mode of
thought eg speech, influence your behaviour? and what if you're
an artist and think in pictures most of the time? do we mime
everything from our shopping lists for example? and what mediates
the process and makes our decisions as to the 'thought' process
that would be best to use and what stops us from singing out
loud, speaking our thoughts or acting out a scene from a TV
advert?

Do we talk about art and what we see, or paint what we
see to call it art?

(I was looking up the Mannerists, but maybe sometime soon)

:)
n.