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Article #615Re: Consciousness
From: KP_PC
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40
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"pavan03" <Monsieur_Lynx@brown.edu> wrote in message news:68f44414.0311131204.d863f8b@posting.google.com... | [...] | Take any object I posess. If something | were to happen to it, say someone were | to damage it, it would produce a feeling | of anger in me, correct? Not necessarily. | Look at this analogy VERY carefully: | changes to one object would cause an | emotion in a *completely* different | location!! That object has nothing to do | with what I experience! Why can't this be | explained using some scientific process? It was, decades ago. | If an identical object that belonged to | someone else were to be damaged, the | same feelings of anger would not be | produced in me. I discussed how and why the stuff of your analogy happens, within a nervous system, in my reply to your prior post. As you experience the object you posess, your brain is optimizing it's energydynamics with respect to the sensory and motor neural [nerve cell] activation that occurs within your brain. This energydynamics optimization =always= takes a particular 'form'. Within it, neural activation that would cause more neural activation is minimized, and neural activation that causes less neural activation is maximized. Call the former "excitation", and denote it as "E", and call the latter "inhibition", and denote it as "I", and the optimization of your brain's energydynamics can be described mathem- atically as the minimization of the ratio of excitation to inhibition, or E/I-minimization. So as you experience the object you posess, E/I-minimization happens. Many, many things have been going on within your brain as you experienced your posession, but everything that happens within your brain, happens in this E/I-minimization way. Put the object away, and go about your daily affairs. A week later, take the object out and experience it some more. You 'recognize' it as being 'familiar', and that recognition happens be-cause, when you ex- perience your posession again, the degree of energydynamics optimization that your brain achieved while you formerly experienced your posession - the E/I-minimization - is relatively- quickly converged upon once again. One of the many, many things that was going on within your brain as you experienced your posession was that the activation-relationship of the part of your brain that functions to actualize the subjective experience of "emotion" was becoming 'optimally'-aligned, via E/I-minimiza- tion, with respect to your sensory and motor ex- perience with respect to your possession. When someone else damages your posession, the modifications to its structure, and/or its func- tionality, result in your sensory and motor ex- periencing of it being immediately rendered different from the way it was prior to your pos- ession's being damaged. This rapid change in your sensory and motor experiencing of your posession results in a rapid de-optimization of the neural energy- dynamics within your brain. Excitation rapidly increases and inhibition rapidly decreases [the ratio of excitation to inhibition, E/I, rapidly in- creases]. Your formerly-aligned "emotion" be- comes rapidly unaligned, and this is experi- enced as stereotypical "anger". In the second half of your analogy, because the object in question is not your posession, you had less sensory and motor experience with it, so less E/I-minimization happened within your brain with respect to its structure and functionality, so, when it is damaged, the relative change you experience in E/I within your brain is relatively-small, and there is only a relatively-small de-alignment of "emotion", so you experience relatively-small "emotionality". What's here is extremely over-simplified, but it is, essentially, what happens within your brain as the differential responses to the objects' being damaged occur. It's 100% the rigorously-coupled internal and external energydynamics. What's here also describes what's going on in Iraq these days, and what happened here in the U. S. A. after the terrorist attacks of 2001-09-011. The Same-Stuff has underpinned all War - all of "man's inhumanity to man", since the dawn of Human History. So these are not 'whimsical' matters, and it is important that they be gotten-straight. K. P. Collins | [...]
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,dcd28dbff7b24044 X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-Thread: 10681a,dcd28dbff7b24044 X-Google-Attributes: gid10681a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-13 14:40:33 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "KP_PC" <k.p.collins@worldnet.att.net%REMOVE%> From: "KP_PC" <k.p.collins@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,bionet.neuroscience References: <9yasb.6880$9_.283969@news1.tin.it> <0Fdsb.49581$Ec1.3303474@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <BBD6C65A.12D2%oleaj@sbcglobal.net> <8e53rvs4p64t9ba1njjfb2e3n7ufpnk6e2@4ax.com> <Matthew.Kirkcaldie-D642A3.16314812112003@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <pIlsb.1855$hn3.941346@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <3fb25ab4.72496186@netnews.att.net> <Matthew.Kirkcaldie-4CE4B7.14052613112003@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <zjMsb.56404$Ec1.3501011@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <68f44414.0311131204.d863f8b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Consciousness Lines: 134 Organization: sufficient X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <ALTsb.251293$0v4.17260340@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.150.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1068763232 12.76.150.85 (Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:32 GMT