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Article #620Re: Consciousness
From: Michael Olea
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:01
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:01
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in article 0Fdsb.49581$Ec1.3303474@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, KP_PC at k.p.collins@worldnet.att.net wrote on 11/11/03 2:46 PM: > "Michael Olea" <oleaj@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:BBD69100.12C8%oleaj@sbcglobal.net... > | in article lnd2rv0k34b2sp117g8sbjl5mtu5e6acci@4ax.com, r norman at > | rsn_@_comcast.net wrote on 11/11/03 11:27 AM: > | > | > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:14:13 GMT, "Dio" <dadaismo@tin.it> wrote: > | > > | >> [...] > | > That is, the brain IS a kind of machine > | > already, so yes, consciousness can > | > be produced by a machine. And that > | > means that is could also be produced > | > by a non-biological machine. > | > > | The last sentence does not necessarily > | follow - it is a logical possibility that > | whatever it is that makes a machine > | "non-biological" also makes it > | incapable of consciousness. I am not > | advocating that position, just > | pointing out a flaw in the reasoning. > > One has to take the last two sentences of > R. Norman's post as a unit. The 2nd-to-last > sentence implies "biological machine". > > ken > > Right. And the last sentence concludes that because there are "biological machines" capable of consciousness there must be "non-biological machines" also capable of consciousness. This does not follow. One way to see that is to draw a Venn diagram.
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