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Article #713Re: Turtles all the way down?
From: R. Wade Schuette
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 02:29
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 02:29
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HARRY R. ERWIN (herwin@mason1.gmu.edu) wrote:
: I have questions in my mind about the currently popular research into
: quantum non-locality in neural systems. However, I do know of mechanisms
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: tuned system. Once at the level of 10,000-40,000 neurons, the next few
: stages up (leading to the entire brain) are currently the subject of
: active research. So it seems the turtles do extend down to the synapse.
: Has there been any study of structured dynamics within the synapse?
--
Hmm... When descending between levels, beware of the M.C. Escher
"strange loop" phenomenon, as in the Endlessly Rising Canon described
so well in _Escher, Godel, & Bach_ by Hofsteader. Transitivity is only
meaningful in tensors of rank 0, ie, scalars. Your neural nets models
may be purely electrical, but the wetware also has multiple other routes
of communication between parts, including chemical, magnetic, and
possibly gravitational, not counting true quantum mechanical effects
and "action at a distance".
In short, regardless of mechanism, don't forget to also check the
case where the turtles, ultimately, form a strange loop and end
up standing on themselves.
wade
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