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Article #719Re: Mind Models
From: HARRY R. ERWIN
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:43
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:43
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I probably need to add something to deal with those people who might argue that the brain can be simulated, hence a syntactic model is possible. I've noticed an interesting phenomenon on at least four scales in the brain--mechanisms for amplifying patterns at a lower scale to a larger pattern. These usually seem to involve stochastic resonance interacting with carefully tuned dynamic systems. Thus there is a mechanism for amplifying an output synchronism of a few neurons to a synchronism of approximately 10^4 neurons. This involves a combination of non-linear response on the cellular level with feedback mechanisms involving principle cells and inhibitory interneurons. There appears to be a second mechanism for amplifying a low level modulation of one or a few basal dendrites into a cell-wide modulation. Bartlett Mel has evidence for a third mechanism for amplifying synchronous stimulation of multiple synapses in the dendritic tree into a modulation of the corresponding dendrite. Finally, in the visual system there is a mechanism for amplifying the synchronized arrival of two photons (a quantum mechanical process) into a detection event at the level of the electrical synapse. Karl Pribram, Stuart Hameroff, Paul Prueitt, and Roger Penrose seem to believe there are other, similar processes, making up a pattern extending from the quantum level to the level of the entire brain. I'm not sure about this last, but there are enough of these between-scale connections to make the question of effective simulatability very open at the least. I do not believe the brain can be simulated syntactically. The multiple-scale problem intrudes. For those folks who posit a finite number of states for the universe based on quantum mechanics. Please discuss how to go from quantum mechanical theory to classical theory and vice-versa. Until you can do that, your argument is incomplete. Even afterwards, you will probably find that the simulation for the universe has to be bigger than the universe... -- Harry Erwin Internet: herwin@gmu.edu Just a dumb graduate student working on Katchalsky network models.... (And if you believe that, I have a ranch in California to sell you.)
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ca9b,2582ed45e201e658 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca9b,public X-Google-Thread: 10681a,2582ed45e201e658 X-Google-Attributes: gid10681a,public X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,2582ed45e201e658 X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-09-24 13:49:25 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!mason1.gmu.edu!herwin From: herwin@mason1.gmu.edu (HARRY R. ERWIN) Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,bionet.neuroscience,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Mind Models Followup-To: sci.cognitive,bionet.neuroscience,comp.ai.philosophy Date: 24 Sep 1994 20:43:44 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <362320$16l@portal.gmu.edu> References: <35s56r$t3t@portal.gmu.edu> <CwLEAF.Bn7@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mason1.gmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]