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Started by Dean Pentcheff
Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:04
Battery-powering a PC expansion chassis [SUMMARY]
Author: Dean Pentcheff
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:04
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:04
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Some time ago I asked if anyone had suggestions regarding battery
powering the expansion chassis for a laptop/notebook. We're trying to
set up a field-portable data acquisition system based on a portable
PC. It turns out that no one makes laptops with ISA-bus (AT-type)
slots for an A/D card (with the exception of Toshiba's very
top-of-the-line models). So... it occurred to me that we might be able
to use an "expansion chassis" with a generic laptop/notebook, if such
an expansion chassis could be battery powered.
Ask and ye shall receive. Following is a summary of the replies I
received, slightly edited for brevity. They are in a format that will
work with "mail -f", if you want to view individual messages.
Thanks to all who answered!
-Dean
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Dean Pentcheff (Internet: dean2@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu) (803) 777-8998
Department of Biology, University of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29205
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From jar@banach.ece.wisc.edu Wed Aug 12 14:03:54 1992
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:02:26 -0500
From: "James A. Rose" <jar@banach.ece.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Battery powering a PC expansion chassis?
....
There are off the shelf "generic" A/D boards which can be driven by the
serial channel on a PC. They take and send out ASCII sequences to initiate
sampling and receive data. In some ways, they are a lot like hooking up
a modem.
How portable (i.e., weight, size, etc.), how long do you have to keep
running, and how much are you willing to spend? If you don't want to do
any wiring you could use an UPS (though not as efficient power wise as
the solution you suggest). There are also IBM PC style power supplies
with built in batteries and charging circuitry.
The alternative you are suggesting requires some sort of voltage
regulation and a charging circuit. You could simply use rechargeable
'D' type cells which you can buy at your local WalMart. 1.5 volts per
cell -> at least 12 batteries (to give you 18 volts to be regulated
down to 12 volts and 5 volts). For longer active time you could use
a car battery (and add a lot more weight). If you can afford them,
DC to DC converters are more efficient than regulation (75 to 85 %
efficient). Also, they can be more stable over wide input voltage
ranges and do not require as high an input voltage (e.g., +5V in
gives +12V out). I would be glad to offer further suggestions if you
have more details.
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From rkh@wpi.wpi.edu Wed Aug 12 19:36:41 1992
From: rkh@wpi.wpi.edu (R Kurt Heinzmann)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:35:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Battery powering a PC expansion chassis?
....
>2) What sort of batteries might be appropriate for this?
NiCds or sealed lead acid. I prefer NiCds.
>3) What magical little bits of circuitry would be needed?
a) Simple, inefficient, cheap way:
A 6-cell NiCd and a 5V linear regulator plus an 11 or 12-cell NiCd
plus a 12V linear regulator
b) Simple, efficient, moderate cost ($100 more) way:
A DC-DC converter that puts out both 5V and 12V plus a battery with
a voltage in the range required by the converter (probably a 12-cell
would be best, but you may be able to use a much lower voltage battery).
>4) Is this a totally impractical idea?
Nope. You should make sure the battery capacity is sufficient to run
the expansion box longer than the laptop, though. I would buy the DC-DC
converter, measure the current it draws from a bench supply set at, say,
12V or 14.4V while powering the expansion box with the A/D card running,
and then buy a battery with the appropriate capacity.
Kurt
From tm17@prism.gatech.edu Thu Aug 13 09:46:54 1992
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 09:45:30 -0400
From: tm17@prism.gatech.edu (MAIER,THOMAS D)
Subject: Re: Battery powering a PC expansion chassis?
Depending on what the nature of the data is that you want
to collect (high speed, low speed, what precision, what
sensors if any) you should consider looking into a battery
powered data logger. These devices are just a small 8
bit micro with signal conditioning and A/D with long storage
memory. Some are handheld and some are benchtop. You
just start your data acquisition and then when you are done
you take the box to your computer and upload the data.
Omega sells a couple differant ones.
Omega Technical assistance
1-800-872-9436
There are other companies, but I don't have the info right now.
[editorial comment: yes, we're already using one of these. Campbell
Scientific sells a couple of excellent models. -Dean]
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MAIER,THOMAS D
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From lance@helios.ucsc.edu Thu Aug 13 11:48:18 1992
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 08:47:12 PDT
From: lance@helios.ucsc.edu (Lance Bresee)
Subject: Re: Battery powering a PC expansion chassis?
yes, I have done this.
you need data from the manual on the motherboard.
I would suggest 6 volt lead cells...
...why 6 Volt? Because, an XT requires 5 V at 4 amps
and 12 volt at 1 or 2 amps. The DC-DC converter
to take the 12 volt battery down to 5 volts must
run at MUCH higher power than the DC-DC converter
to take the 6 volt up to 12 Volt.
BUT <-------
The XT was pretty forgiving of 5 volt level.
The 12 volts is mostly for drives, and need not
be as well regualted. So there may be a GOOD case
for useing 12 volt batteries..with easily available
photovoltiac charger systems, and regulating down
to 5 V. Some of the new portables use much less
power, and if the 5 volt drain is less than 2 amps,
I would use a 5 volt regulator and a 12 volt battery
with a pv charger.
lance
[editorial comment: this pertains to powering a computer motherboard,
but the general ideas seem applicable. -Dean]
From nagle@netcom.com Fri Aug 14 14:05:08 1992
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:02:39 PDT
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Battery powering a PC expansion chassis?
It's easy, but battery life may not be all that great. First,
try to find cards that only use +5 volts, not +12 and -12, which are
used mostly for RS-232 signals. If you can find 5v-only cards, you
only need a 5v supply. Most cards that don't have RS-232 ports don't
need anything but +5, but this can vary. The manual for the card should
say how much power it draws at each voltage, so you can tell from there.
A 5v supply can be constructed from any battery bigger than
7v or so and a 7805 regulator, which is a 3-pin device (in, out, and
ground). Radio Shack should have everything you need.
Figuring out where to attach to the expansion chassis is your problem.
But it shouldn't be all that hard. Find out where the power supply connects
to the slots, find the +5 and ground leads, get a connector that matches
the connector on the power supply (any PC repair shop), and hook it up.
A voltmeter will be helpful.
There are 7812 regulators, for 12V, too. With regulators of this
type, you lose about 2V in the regulator, so you need at least 14V to get
12V after the regulator. Two 9V batteries in series will work fine as
a source of 18V to be regulated down to 12V. You waste 1/3 of the battery
life this way, but it's simple.
A more sophisticated solution would be to use a Maxim voltage-conversion
IC to get 12V from 5V.
John Nagle
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