Article View: sci.crypt
Article #1343DES generates A_(2^64)?
From: Paul Rubin
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:45
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:45
17 lines
1519 bytes
1519 bytes
Michael Wiener and I submitted a paper to Crypto '92 entitled "DES is not
a Group". The principal argument is as follows.
Consider the closure of DES encryptions under composition. Our claim is
that this group must include permutations which are not equivalent to DES
encryption with any key. Each of the n_i collected above must divide
the order of the group. Compute n = lcm( n_i, i=1..k ). If n > 2^56 then
the group must be larger than the set of DES encryptions.
The paper includes the lengths of several hundred cycles of DES.
The lcm of those lengths exceeds 10^2499. It is clearly not practical
to use E^n(x) to recover x for such large n.
I heard that someone in Eastern Germany recently proved a stronger
result, that DES generates the alternating group on 2^64 letters.
This had been conjectured a while ago, though I don't know what the
evidence for it was. Anyone know more about this?
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<PHR.92Oct15174530@napa.telebit.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!telebit!phrReferences:
<1992Oct13.174505.24230@b11.b11.ingr.com> <1992Oct15.125830.25539@bnr.ca> <unruh.719169829@unixg.ubc.ca> <1992Oct15.211300.27098@bnr.ca>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!telebit!phr From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) Subject: DES generates A_(2^64)? In-Reply-To: keith@bnr.ca's message of Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <PHR.92Oct15174530@napa.telebit.com> Sender: news@telebit.com Nntp-Posting-Host: napa.telebit.com Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA References: <1992Oct13.174505.24230@b11.b11.ingr.com> <1992Oct15.125830.25539@bnr.ca> <unruh.719169829@unixg.ubc.ca> <1992Oct15.211300.27098@bnr.ca> Date: 15 Oct 92 17:45:30 Lines: 17