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Article #1538Re: Limits on the Use of Cryptography?
From: David Sternlight
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:56
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:56
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Terry Ritter raises the question of the forced discovery of keys AFTER the legal system has become engaged. I believe the laws related to discovery are quite broad. In a civil suit, for example, either party has the right to subpoena any papers of the other they think reasonably relevant. The only protection is a suppression order by the judge, on grounds of trade secrets, etc. Such an order does not prevent either party from seeing the papers, but simply seals them so they cannot be used nor disclosed to third parties, except for purposes of the lawsuit. It would seem to me that one could force the disclosure of keys quite easily, given that background. Anyone could, for example, sue someone for damages based on some cause, and then use discovery to get whatever they want. Of course it's after-the-fact, but it makes public key systems particularly vulnerable, since once they have your private key (if you don't change it often, or if you done have classes of private keys for different activities), they can read everything. Since the whole value of a public key system is to have a single key set so people can send encrypted traffic to you, anyone "up to no good" would probably more likely use a private key system, with many different keys. Perhaps a smart judge would permit you to furnish plaintext instead of the key, though likely not, since you couldn't "prove" that was the real plaintext without revealing the private key. Maybe there's a way to authenticate the plaintext via signatures, without having to reveal your private key--dunno. I've always thought the protections in the discovery rules to be very weak. Once an adversary party knows confidential (sealed) information, unless it's something clean-cut, such as a unique invention that cannot be duplicated except via your method, the cat is out of the bag and it's very hard to prove disclosure or improper use of sealed information. -- David Sternlight (pgp 2.0 and ripem public keys available on request)
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Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!pmafire!news.dell.com!swrinde!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!strnlght From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Limits on the Use of Cryptography? Message-ID: <1992Nov11.155632.29487@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1992Nov11.061210.9933@cactus.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:56:32 GMT Lines: 37