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Re: A new encryption problem?

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From: Arthur Rubin
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:38
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In <1992Nov13.075430.8494@cactus.org> ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter) writes:

> "Agents of the government" do arrest people *under the authority*
> granted by *social institutions*.

No evidence.  Agents of the government arrest people under *their own* authority.

> Well, there seems to be a lot of "fuzzy thinking" going around.

> Consider the wording of The Fourth Amendment:

>      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
>      papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
>      seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue,
>      but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation,
>      and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
>      the persons or things to be searched.

> Clearly this protects a "right of the people."  But it *also*
> implicitly recognizes (in my terms) a "right" of government to
> search and seize, provided only that a specific warrant issues
> based on probable cause.

Actually, not.  It was legally assumed, prior to the US Constitution, that
government had the "right" to do whatever they want to.  The constitution
limits that "right"; it does not say necessarily that non-unreasonable
searches should be allowed.
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