Article View: sci.crypt
Article #183Re: A Trial Balloon on Registered Keys
From: denning
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 22:43
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 22:43
60 lines
3869 bytes
3869 bytes
I'll be offline for the next several days but wanted to make a few observations. My mail has been staggering and I apologize to those of you that I did not answer or sent just a cryptic reply. The arguments against registration seem to fall into two classes: 1) it's futile and 2) we shouldn't trust the government. Bill Stewart gets my award for the best argument for (1): just register 2**23 keys- it actually cracked me up when I read it! I stuck my foot in my mouth again when I said something suggesting that our obligation was only to follow the laws. I guess I meant "legal obligation," but then it's a tautology, so I was clearly not thinking. I at least like to believe that I would have defied Hitler and other such atrocities. As a society we do many things to help law enforcement because humans are not so great about doing certain things unless at least mildly coerced. How many people would pay their full taxes if employers weren't obliged to report their incomes? (Some of you probably think this is a bad idea too, but let's not go off onto that tangent.) Perry Metzger said that under the Digital Telephony legislation, the government wants to get access to lines without the help of the carriers. This is false. The legislation reads: "The legislation does not establish any independent 'dial-up' authority by which criminal law enforcement agencies could effectuate interceptions without the affirmative assistance of the providers or operators. The providers and operators will continue to make the necessary interconnections or issue the necessary switch program instructions to effectuate an interception." The government wants it to be setup so that the providers have to activate the taps so that the gov't can't be accused of doing unauthorized taps. Perry also expressed a concern about my speaking before doing all my homework. This reminds me of something Donn Parker said to me after I did my study of "hackers", presented a paper on the topic at the NCSC, and then helped defend Craig Neidorf. Donn said I should talk to law enforcers and that if I did, I would see it differently. I took Donn's advice seriously and visited several people at different agencies, including the celebrated Gail Thackery, over the next year. The highlight was LAPD. If you want to see the world from a different view, go to LAPD. Well, this adventure altered how I saw law enforcement, and I ended up with considerably greater respect for them and for the dangers they confront doing their work. Over the years I have also worked closely with people in the FBI and other gov't agencies. I have considerable respect for the people I've worked with. Obviously, these are not the same people that some of you have encountered either directly or indirectly. For those of you who think I should now read about government abuses, I have read Bamford (much of which I distrust), "Spying on America", and "The FBI in Transition" (highly speculative) and will continue reading. Our rights to electronic privacy have yet to be thoroughly sorted out like they have for other things. You can't, for example, rope off part of your property and say "sorry government, no trespassing". We have the capability to do that with electronic communication and in this country we're proceeding to do just that without much thought. Dorothy Denning denning@cs.georgetown.edu (posting from guvax)
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<1992Oct29.174332.1601@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!destroyer!gatech!darwin.sura.net!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!denningShow Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!destroyer!gatech!darwin.sura.net!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!denning From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: A Trial Balloon on Registered Keys Message-ID: <1992Oct29.174332.1601@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> Date: 29 Oct 92 17:43:32 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 60