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Article #1893Re: Demons and Ogres
From: Rob Stampfli
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:03
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:03
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In article <1992Nov17.065526.15487@cactus.org> ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter) writes: > Nonsense. My proposal is that, given the ciphertext, the user > would be required to make it plain. This is the gist of what Terry has stated several times. I am concerned about such a proposal because it seems to me that there is a dangerous but unspoken precedent that goes along with it: Aside from the argument previously espoused that it is too invasive to require one to keep track of any key they might ever have used (on the supposition that someone in authority might surreptitiously be recording the transaction and might at some later point demand the plaintext), this whole line of reasoning appears to revoke the principle that places the burden of proof on the accuser. I'm afraid that if we adopt this principle, that using cryptography will come to be viewed like driving, where certain rights are given up in return for the privilege to operate a motor vehicle on the public roads. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the right we will end up losing as crypto users will be the presumption of innocence. Suppose the "annonymous informant", or the "expert" who doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows, gives the authorities an encrypted message using a key you have never seen before, but which, he alleges, originates from you. Suppose the tap of your ISDN line misses a few bytes at the start of your message. Under these conditions there is little you can do, even if you desire to be cooperative. However, your failure to produce the desired result would place you in considerable legal jeopardy under what is being proposed here. Few people I know believe that the erasure of several minutes worth of conversation from Nixon's infamous office tapes was accidental, but no one can prove otherwise, so legally we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Imagine how it would look if you had to tell the court "I don't know why, but my key does not work to decrypt this message." Few people would be willing to believe you, either. Obviously, the contents of the message must be incriminating, and you must have taken the correct key and destroyed it. After all, the "experts" surely must have checked and rechecked what they were doing. With the complexity of modern technology, I find it extremely dangerous to place this burden on the defendent, who may well be using something he knows very little about technically. On the other hand, if you don't shoulder him with this responsibility, then you give the unethical defendant an easy out -- it would be difficult not to accept the "I can't remember the key" or "I don't know why it doesn't work" defenses, as lame as they appear, and as unacceptable as they would be to the authorities. And note that Dr. Dennings proposal(s) are just as flawed: if someone is going to lie, it hardly behooves them to register all their keys up front. So, where does this leave us? The obvious extremes are to ban all strong cryptography outright (and make it a crime in itself to use it), or to allow it to be used as a privacy tool of a free society, while accepting the consequences that it may be impossible to convict someone who is clever in the manner by which they refuse to surrender their key. Obviously, I am in the latter camp, but there are strong entities in this country that would undoubtedly weigh the evidence and favor the other approach. -- Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: 614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from.
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Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!colnet!res From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: Demons and Ogres Message-ID: <1992Nov19.060307.14063@colnet.cmhnet.org> Organization: Little to None References: <921114182202.126812@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> <1992Nov17.001009.26363@rchland.ibm.com> <1992Nov17.065526.15487@cactus.org> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:03:07 GMT Lines: 57