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Article #227Re: tapping modem calls (was: trial baloon)
From: Jon Luckey
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 06:43
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 06:43
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phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes: >A co-worker of mine brought up an interesting idea. >He thinks it might be very difficult to intercept data >by tapping a phone line of someone using a modern high >speed full duplex modem. The reason is that the full >available bandwidth of the phone line is being used >in both directions; the modems separate out the signals >with echo cancellation, which means that the modem >takes the phone signal and subtracts what it itself >is sending--the difference is what the other modem >is sending. But a wiretapper might have an awfully >hard time of separating the two signals. Well, I can see how it'd be hard to tap at one point with a high impedence feed and then separate the data. But I can see differential methods working. Such as putting a resistor inline and using the differential and comon mode voltages to determine the amount of signal coming from each direction. I suspect that you could use transmission lines to provide time delays and extract the signals based on lightspeed delay. I think it'd be more difficult though to compensate for the echos in the system. The V.32 or V.32bis modems on the ends have their own training sequences to detect echos. a tapping modem in the middle would have to be able to compensate for the echos based on a handshake it had no part in making. Which I think would be a much harder DSP problem than the normal manufactor has to cope with.
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Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!rtfm.mlb.fl.us!luckey From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) Subject: Re: tapping modem calls (was: trial baloon) Message-ID: <1992Oct30.064339.7319@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches! References: <1cl5stINN4qc@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1992Oct28.010214.10823@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <PHR.92Oct28031754@napa.telebit.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 06:43:39 GMT Lines: 32