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Article #2391Re: Triple DES
From: Classic Ted
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:08
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:08
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In article <1ehqrdINN1f9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes: leichter@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes: >.... (Actually, "meet in the middle" >attacks show that double encryption, done this way, cannot be MUCH stronger >than single encryption - though it may be SOMEWHAT stronger.) > -- Jerry Since the total number of possible encrypting functions of 64 bits is something like (2^64)!, and there are only 2^56 DES encryption functions and multiple DES is half the set of all encryptions, I would expect (naively) that double encryption would essentially be as strong as a key with 2*56=112 bits, unless DES is almost a group ( ie most double encryptions yield the same encryption as some single DES). Why is this argument wrong, or is DES almost a group in the above sense? ================================================================ des^2 could well be a simpler system than des. as leichter mentioned in his posting, this would mean that des itself was weak because the attacker could add a secondary encryption and then attack the concatenation. on the other hand, only an attacker who knew that des^2 was weak would ever think of making such an attack.
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Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!nmsu.edu!opus!ted From: ted@nmsu.edu (Classic Ted) Subject: Re: Triple DES In-Reply-To: unruh@physics.ubc.ca's message of 20 Nov 1992 04:50:53 GMT Message-ID: <TED.92Nov23170814@lole.nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Reply-To: ted@nmsu.edu Organization: Computing Research Lab References: <921116133628.385022@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL> <1eg516INNrrq@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <1992Nov19.150019.19072@news.nd.edu> <1992Nov19.150611.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> <1ehqrdINN1f9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:08:14 GMT Lines: 30