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Article #2739Re: Another well-intentioned novice's question
From: Lyle_Seaman
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 10:15
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 10:15
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lwloen@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Larry Loen) writes: > In the hypothetical example, compression moves the overall cost up > to 2 to the 60 from the original 2 to the 54. That ain't chicken > feed, but it will probably not make a serious difference in overall > security, in the end. If one can exhaustively break DES in a day, > having to wait 64 days will defeat some opponents, but others will be > just as happy on the 64th day as the first. > > Note, however, that the key technology remains breaking the basic DES. Once > one can spring for a cost on the order of 2 to the 54th, it does not seem > like the typical opponent will run out of money at 2 to the 60th or that they > will not simply wait the extra time if they do. Does it change the analysis if I substitute "month" for "day" above? "If one can exhaustively break DES in a month, having to wait a little over 5 years will defeat some opponents..." I have to imagine that it would defeat nearly all the opponents, since most of the data will be well-nigh worthless after 5 years. Along the same lines, even governments can't necessarily spend 64X to complete a job which would otherwise require an expenditure of X. In short, linear increases in complexity with sufficiently large constant factors may provide a better security enhancement than do exponential increases with small constant factors. Not a flame, just a nit. Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street 412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219 "I don't believe it! I believe it, though..." - kazar
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