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Article #2900Re: Motorola 'Secure-Clea
From: Hal Feinstein
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 22:57
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 22:57
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In article <1993Jan6.133347.310@clark.dgim.doc.ca> nur@mars.dgrc.doc.ca writes: >In article 7026@netcom.com, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes: > >What about the modern analog devices that use split band inversion where >one of 32 programmable split points in the voice band may be selected >and changed at 60 Hz or faster at "random?" Two separate inversions >are performed, one for the lower sideband and one for the upper >sideband around the split point. This seems *much* harder. This topic These analog voice systems are considered really difficult to break. The main market for these devices in the public service including local and county law enfrocement. The main problem is NOT that professional crypies are going to listen in but rather that the local bad guys don't use their bearcat scanner to find out where the police are. Another reason is that in small towns the local mayor likes to listen into what the town cheif of police is up to and that makes them unconfortable. Voice inversion is considered suitable for only keeping the uneducated scanner crowd out. When local law wants privacy they usually use something better then rolling code or voice inversion with fixed split bands. The ones I've used were made by a company called Transcript and they seem to use a combination of rolling code and segmented voice time chip shuffling both under a key. Costs about $400 per radio installed. I don't know what the time epoch is for the shuffling but it couldn't be all that long. Breaking this is usually more trouble to a local crook then its worth to him. Now if you don't like that you can go to the Motorola DVP system (CVSD voice encrypted with a bunch of non-linear shift register [I think!]) or their DES voice system. Most serious law types, meaning SWAT teams, couternarcs, the feds all use the more serious MOTOROLA digital offerings. If your crooks will blow your brains out if they even hear white noise on the local scanner channel then frequency hopping spread spectrum is the next stop in sophistication for law enforcement. I tested a bunch and for the FH systems, nothing shows up on local scanners. But again, if your crooks have the right gear they'll see the signal jumping around when you get close-up. I tried a few FH systems for security. One ran about 25 hop/sec. and despite the makers claimes I both saw and heard it on my receiver. At the high end we used a 400 Hops/sec system operating in the low UHF band. Funny, the grass rolled off the spectrum analyser just as we moved about 1000 ft from the facility fence. That was impressive. There are also direct sequence system but they get a bit spooky. Now, I did have a chance to see what the real people use at a certain military idustrial company. It was very far advanced from the stuff I've just described. Not even in the same league. But, its also moonshot prices. So I don't feel all bad. No, the analog "scrambled" radio's can't stand up against offline processsing even by an amateur with a reasonable tape recorder and a low priced Motorola 56000 or Texas Instruments 32000 digital signal processing board to play with. Software to do most of the work is available usually over dial up BBS too. (Mr Bub for example) tactical users can get away with scrambling like transcript does But real people use digital. Heck, even the local TV news stations in Washington DC are using Motorola DVP to keep from getting "scooped." board to play with.
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Newsgroups: sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!venus.mitre.org!hal From: hal@venus.mitre.org (Hal Feinstein) Subject: Re: Motorola 'Secure-Clea Message-ID: <1993Jan6.225744.17312@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (NONUSER) Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mitre.org Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA References: <1993Jan6.083201.7026@netcom.com> <1993Jan6.133347.310@clark.dgim.doc.ca> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:57:44 GMT Lines: 63