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Re: password security

#4274
From: John Merrill
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1988 18:22
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In article <4469@xenna.Encore.COM>, bzs@Encore (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>From: prh@actnyc.UUCP (Paul R. Haas)
>>In article <4444@xenna.Encore.COM> bzs@Encore.COM (Barry Shein) writes:
>>>The average secretary I know is bright enough to understand rules like
>>>"use two short words with some upper-case letters and/or digits thrown
>>>in and separated by a punctuation, like "Hey!Jude" "FidoIS#1". Very
>>>hard to guess, very easy to remember, next...
>
>>Give a thousand secretaries that same set of instructions and you will
>>get far less than a thousand different passwords.  Sort them in order
>>of frequency and try them all on whatever system you are trying to
>>crack.  You certainly won't be able to break all the accounts, but you
>>will get a few.
>
>Is this based on *anything*? Or just a wild guess, sounds utterly
>baseless to me. You honestly think if I told 1000 people to:
>
>	choose two short words separated by a punctuation character
>	and mix some upper-lower case into the words
>
>I would frequently get the exact same result from different people?

Yes, Barry, you would.  Why do I know this?  Consider the following
modification of your paradigm:

	choose an English word of at most eight characters, mixing
	both upper and lower case in the word.	You must be able to
	recall this word easily---without writing the word down.

Guess what!  There's a short list that covers the vast majority of
these words.  This list is dominated by the hundred most common names
(in the local language), followed by a collection of folk names.
(For your test, I'd expect to see things like Frodo!Ba[ggins], at
least if the target audience was of CS nerds.)

Is the idea a bad one?  No, not at all, if only because it might take
a while to extract the statistics of the process.  But in the long
run, the two paradigms are probably equal.
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From: merrill@bucasb (John Merrill)
Newsgroups: sci.crypt,comp.unix.wizards,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: password security
Message-ID: <598904545.9625@bucasb.bu.edu>
Date: 23 Dec 88 18:22:25 GMT
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