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Article #483Re: Crypt should be based on MD5 (was: the Crypt 16 discussion)
From: Alan J Rosenthal
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:56
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:56
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dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes: [t0 is the time at which the intruder acquires the encrypted password, T1 is the time to crack it, T2 is the time to use it (login)] >It makes sense to set the password expiration period to be less than T1 + >T2. Then, by the time the intruder is ready to use the password, it has >been changed. ... >For well-chosen Unix passwords T1 is at least decades, if not several >centuries... >It should be reasonable to expire a password in about a year. ... >CONCLUSION 1: If passwords are well-chosen, password expiration adds >nothing to security. This conclusion does not follow from your above discussion. It looked like you were leading up to saying that expiring passwords annually will add to security. I thought that the exabyte tape method decreases T1 to be less than decades even for reasonable passwords. This is not including the possible availability of the plaintext of passwords (e.g. ethernet snooping, looking over people's shoulder). >If the intruder can >immediately get access to the encrypted form a password when it is >changed, then password expiration becomes irrelevant. Mathematically >speaking, if the intruder is always trying the *current* encrypted >password, his chances of guessing it neither increase nor decrease if the >encrypted password changes every 6 hours (or however often). This conclusion does not follow from your above discussion. How frequently the intruder gets access to the encrypted password is your "t0", which does not appear after your original definitions. Access to the current encrypted password has no effect given your analysis on the effectiveness of password expiry.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!utcsri!dgp.toronto.edu!flaps Newsgroups: sci.crypt,comp.security.misc From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) Subject: Re: Crypt should be based on MD5 (was: the Crypt 16 discussion) Message-ID: <1992Jul23.115607.2243@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> References: <2a510a22@babyoil.ftp.com> <709960260@romeo.cs.duke.edu> <62451@cup.portal.com> <16990@ulysses.att.com> <1992Jul23.013037.24195@cirrus.com> Date: 23 Jul 92 15:56:07 GMT Lines: 35