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Re: more mcrypt discussion

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From: Terry Ritter
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:11
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 Continuing the discussion of mcrypt with knight@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu:


>     The increase is the excess blocking.  I encrypt in exactly
>1024 byte (1K) blocks.  . . .
> . . . due to computer file clusters, this block doesn't
>take up any additional space from the drive.

 Well, we must be clear about whether the cipher is working on actual
 disk sectors or files.  Only files have been mentioned.

 I think it is important to end up (after enciphering and deciphering)
 with an exact duplicate of the original file, in data and length.
 Any change from variable-length (files) to block-oriented processing
 must add something to the original data to be able to recover the
 original length.  And if the original length was 1023 mod 1024, there
 will be no free space in the last block to hold additional data.
 Thus, any block-oriented cipher which works on variable-length files
 must expand some files.  Small blocks imply a small expansion, but
 frequently; large blocks imply a larger expansion less frequently.

 If the cipher does not reproduce a file with exactly the original
 length in bytes, then we can expect that a CRC (or any other data
 validity check) on the recovered file will give a different result
 than on the original file.  This is not good.


>> *  Because of a lack of any statement otherwise, apparently the
>>    scheme always enciphers in the same way with the same User Key.
>>    If so, this is a serious weakness because it allows anagramming
>>    between different messages (and this is the classical method of
>>    breaking transposition ciphers).  In general, no cipher scheme
>>    should "ever" re-encipher the same data in the same way even
>>    with the same User Key.  (One way around this is to first encipher
>>    a "really random" Message Key, and use the plaintext Message Key
>>    as the internal key for ciphering the actual data.)

>You'll have to explain this to me, because I'm wondering if my
>implementation doesn't completely by-pass this possibility.

 Well, I guess it all depends on what you want to do with it.  Your
 mention of NSA implied to me that you were thinking you had a cipher
 which would give experts some work.  If you just want to obscure the
 data, that's another thing.

 If a cipher is supposed to be strong, then it is a very bad idea
 to encipher multiple blocks in the same way, or multiple messages
 in the same way.  It is certainly true that bit-transposition makes
 things harder for cryptanalysis.  But cryptanalysis of transposition
 has always had to deal with the possibility that the correct symbol
 for any particular position could come from anywhere in the cipher.
 Despite this, transposition ciphers have been broken many times.

 One reason that transposition ciphers have been broken is that their
 transposition permutations often have to be of a special form which
 could be constructed from the User Key, and that may be a factor here
 as well.  The simple fact that there are a large number of permutations
 for a given block size does not mean that all of them--or even any large
 fraction--could be selected by User Keys.  The key to cryptanalysis
 is to strip away huge numbers of possibilities, instead of just
 trying each possibility one at a time.  We have this situation when
 only certain types of permutation can be constructed.

 A big part of the strength argument with this cipher is whether the
 Simple Substitution step prevents cryptanalysis.  If we consider only
 analysis based on two unknown ciphertext blocks, I'm sure it helps.
 But, in real applications, the opponent will eventually have some
 amount of plaintext, the corresponding ciphertext, and lots of
 unknown ciphertext to play with.

 Transposition ciphers have historically been cracked by anagramming,
 and this only works when multiple messages (blocks) are enciphered
 with the same permutation.  That same weakness occurs in the
 proposed cipher.  In the absence of some plausible argument that
 this cipher is so unique as to not be susceptible to the old
 weakness, one should conclude that the old weakness could be
 exploited.

 While the Simple Substitution step will complicate things, it is
 hard to imagine that it makes cryptanalysis actually impossible;
 Simple Substitution is just too weak to provide much of a screen.
 On the other hand, even a fairly simple Vernam system (e.g. a
 32-bit statistical RNG with XOR combining)--instead of Simple
 Substitution--could make the argument much more interesting.
 But it would be better to have *both* a randomizer step *and*
 a different permutation for each and every block *and* use
 sizable cryptographic RNG's to drive the whole thing.


>Every attempt made to crack mcrypt will result in a file that will
>be produced as a result of the key.

 This is hard to believe.  Presumably, an attempt at cracking
 the cipher could produce any of the 2^1024 different possible
 plaintext blocks.  But only those plaintext blocks which could
 actually transformed into the known ciphertext need be considered.
 It is true that there are far more than 2^1024 permutations,
 and so, enough potential internal keys.  But the issue is how all
 of these internal keys could possibly be selected, and, if they
 cannot, the extent to which this affects both the size and
 distribution of the permutation space.

 As I mentioned in my paper, a randomizer stage is an alternative
 to exact bit-balancing, and a bit-transposition cipher with a
 balanced data and sizable blocks can be a strong cipher.  But
 we can expect that a bit-transposition stage which is designed to
 reach any possible overall permutation (using, say, the Shuffle
 algorithm of Durstenfeld), must be relatively slow, probably
 slower than DES.  Each 1K block implies 8192 bit exchanges under
 bit Shuffle, and if we really want to reach all possible
 permutations, it is hard to see how any algorithm could be much
 faster.

 Stream ciphers can be faster, but strong stream ciphers will
 always need more processing than a little statistical RNG and XOR.
 Thus, any strong cipher is going to be slower than its weaker cousins
 until processing is no longer an issue.  (For example, a multiprocessor
 machine based on streams could have a cipher processor, which
 might increase the delay in the pipe, yet not reduce the data
 rate.)

 ---
 Terry Ritter   ritter@cactus.org
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From: ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter)
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Subject: Re: more mcrypt discussion
Summary: More Mass Encryption Comments
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Date: 13 Aug 92 18:11:02 GMT
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