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Re: ATM fraud

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From: Paul A. Karger
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:05
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In article <12833@grayt>, grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes:

|> 
|> Perhaps a comment from a layman will be thought appropriate.
|> ATM fraud is an economic enterprise. That is the crook is going 
|> to have to make money on the deal. Complicated schemes to gather
|> thousands of PIN's to rob thousands of accounts are all very well.
|> However if the outcome of this is too deposit thousands of individual
|> sums into the account of Joe Bloggs (computer thief and chef international),
|> the long arm of the law will not be far behind him on the electronic road.
|> The cops say to break up an elaborate criminal conspiracy, one should
|> follow the money. Here the crook is not only leaving a paper path, he
|> is providing a road map.
|> 
|> IMHO anyway
|> 

Quite true - I know of only two cases where the crook actually went to the
trouble of building a phony ATM machine - one in New York City and
one in Italy.   

I've seen other cases where the crooks took a much simpler
approach to robbing the ATM - namely they planted dynamite and tried to
blow the machine up!!  There was a case in my old home town, and the crooks
failed, because they didn't use enough dynamite - the armor plating on the
machine survived the blast.

This is the traditional problem.  The defender must find and close all
holes into the system.  The attacker need only find one hole and exploit
it.  (Or in the case above, create the hole with dynamite!) 
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From: karger@osf.org (Paul A. Karger)
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