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Started by Timothy C. May
Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09
RSA Data Security Not All Bad
Author: Timothy C. May
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09
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I thought I'd mention a few things that show RSA Data Security and Jim Bidzos (their President) to not be all bad, vis-a-vis the recent discussion of PGP and licensing of the RSA patents. First, I'm an occasional user of both MacPGP and MailSafe (for DOS only). Second, I posted the "Trial Balloon to Ban Encryption?" piece on Prof. Denning's ideas about key registration, so I'm not exactly a shill for the national security state. Having said this, I don't believe RSA Data Security is acting to limit the availability of their encryption products, as some have suggested. I agree that MailSafe, one of their standalone end-user products (and the closest thing they have to PGP), is not well-marketed...I had to contact them directly to buy a copy. But Jim Bidzos was so eager to get "hackers" to use MailSafe that he made a special offer. Mr. Bidzos authorized me to announce at the Hackers Conference in 1991, a year ago, that anyone attending the conference could get MailSafe for $50, a substantial reduction from the $125 price at that time (I have no idea what the current price is). The idea was that this would nearly eliminate the complaints of those who wanted their RSA encryption for free. (Personally, I'm opposed to software patents in general, and the patenting of the general math techniques used in RSA in particular. Patenting the kind of math used in RSA is akin to letting Trimble Navigation, for example, patent the Pythagorean Theorem just because they use it in their product. Rivest, Shamir, Adleman, Diffie, Hellman, and Merkle all deserve the fame they've gotten, but allowing a patent on a fairly simple number theory algorithm is wrong.) Several folks at that Hackers Conference took advantage of the offer. But not enough to make it "interesting" to use (meaning, too small a critical mass of users). I used MailSafe to secure some files, but never found anyone I wanted to communicate with who also had it. I even put "RSA MailSafe public key available" in my .signature for a while, but had no takers. This is in contrast to PGP, where about half the folks I correspond with use it, or at least have the capability to use it. This is why PGP has become the de facto standard for "hackers" and other amateurs (meaning, non-corporate users...and maybe a few folks in corporations). It seems to many of us that RSA Data Security is _helped_ by this situation with PGP. Yes, _helped_. Tens of thousands of users of PGP are grappling with the issues, learning the methods of RSA digital signatures and encryption, and are generally getting used to the idea of protecting their own mail and files. These PGP users are potential customers of future RSA Data Security products, either at their companies or, if priced reasonably and supported by RSA, for their own use. Furthermore, the existence of PGP and the rapid rate at which it is evolving (the latest release, 2.1, adds significant new features) is in stark contrast to the moribund MailSafe, which apparently has not changed since 1988. RSA Data Security may not like this "competition," but it may serve to light a fire under them to upgrade their end-user products. (I suppose RSA feels compelled to do something to protect their patent position, lest it be jeopardized by their inaction.) I haven't said anything about the various licensing deals with Lotus Notes, Apple, DEC, IBM, etc. These deals suggest RSA's technology is about to become widespread amongst corporate users, which is all to the good. (Provided there is no crippling of the security...I did hear a report that Apple's "Open Collaboration..." product may be forced to use a reduced-security version of RSA. If true, this is bad news.) Finally, another positive word about RSA Data Security. A year ago they sponsored a wonderful one-day free conference, in Redwood Shores, CA. That conference thoroughly trashed the government's proposed "Digital Signature Standard" (DSS), and helped mobilize the backlash against it. RSA stood to gain from this repudiation of DSS, but the conference was still very useful in illuminating the main problems with DSS. This year the conference is 2 days, January 14th and 15th. Call 415-595-8782 for details (but hurry, as I hear it is filling up fast). Granted, they are pushing their products. But this is also a service to the overall crypto community, and for that we should be appreciative. Just thought I'd find something nice to say about RSA Data Security. ---Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | PGP Public Key: by arrangement.
Re: RSA Data Security Not All Bad
Author: David Sternlight
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:51
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:51
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Lucio de Re asks if commercial products using RSA cannot be exported. That's right. The version of Lotus Notes that uses it is an example. I guess companies think there's a big enough market without it. Given the notorious lack of ethics in some countries, leading to massive software piracy (Italy and Taiwan come immediately to mind), they probably aren't losing much anyway. David
Re: RSA Data Security Not All Bad
Author: Erik Sowa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:38
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:38
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>>>>> "David" == David Sternlight <strnlght@netcom.com> writes: David> Lucio de Re asks if commercial products using RSA cannot be exported. That's David> right. The version of Lotus Notes that uses it is an example. David> I guess companies think there's a big enough market without it. Given David> the notorious lack of ethics in some countries, leading to massive David> software piracy (Italy and Taiwan come immediately to mind), they David> probably aren't losing much anyway. Then the export restriction isn't protecting much, either. -- Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
Re: RSA Data Security Not All Bad
Author: Jyrki Kuoppala
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:19
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:19
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In article <1992Dec17.095122.19697@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom (David Sternlight) writes: >I guess companies think there's a big enough market without it. Given >the notorious lack of ethics in some countries, leading to massive >software piracy (Italy and Taiwan come immediately to mind), they >probably aren't losing much anyway. Perhaps you can just call George and he'll have some troops left over from Somalia that he can send to the evil countries like Italy and Taiwan. That'll teach'em to violate God's Principles and rob the money of the hard-working people in One and Only Nation Under God. //Jyrki
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